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If Iceland is committing Down Syndrome genocide and the UK is murdering innocent disabled children like Alfie Evans, will they one day decide that Aspies are unfit to live and come for us too?

I know nothing of the two examples you mentioned but yes, society could one day deem that acceptable. Look up eugenics for more info.

Letting a patient die a natural death isn't murder. Murder is when something is actively done (cyanide poisoning, deliberate insulin overdose, etc) to kill someone; switching off a life support machine doesn't count.

I'm not a parent and am not in a position to judge.

I believe a woman has a right to an abortion for whatever reason. If the reason happens to be that she doesn't want to, or simply can't, raise a disabled child, then that's her choice.

And no, not all DS people are "high-functioning."

Agreed with XFilesGeek. Women should always have the choice whether or not to bring a new person into the world. She should be allowed to refuse for ANY reason, even if it seems a shame. Children deserve to be raised in a loving family, and this isn't likely to happen if the pregnancy was forced.

Besides, abortion isn't murder. A foetus is no more a person than a cotton plant is a dress.

I believe that all lives matter and that every life is worth living. I feel that abortion is wrong in any circumstance. I feel that it's very wrong to abort a disabled baby or any baby for that matter. Abortion is the continuation of eugenics that unfortunately helps to keep Hitler's dark legacy alive. I think that the world would be more accepting of handicapped people if such unborn children weren't aborted. I also think that parents who murder their disabled children should be given the death sentence. There's enough killing, blood and gore in this world. Unborn babies of any kind should not have to be added to that blood and gore and it's not just a lump of cells. It's a tiny, little human life. What is it than? A monkey, a giraffe. Of course an unborn person is a human being. The countries that brag that they have no babies with Down Syndrome should feel very ashamed of themselves. Just putting it out there.

I think a line is crossed when someone is allowed to die specifically because that person isn't considered to be of worth.

Alfie Evans's brain had been destroyed beyond repair, so that he couldn't even breathe. The decision was made on the basis of Airedale NHS Trust vs Bland (1993), where the court ruled that "existence in a persistent vegetative state is not a benefit to the patient". The key words are to the patient; his life support machine wasn't switched off because he wasn't considered worthy, but because he wouldn't have had any quality of life on such a machine for the rest of his life.

How can Aspergers be compared to Down syndrome? There's a TV show about an aspie surgeon. There will never be a show about surgeon with down syndrome. People are always asking if this or that celebrity has aspergers. No one asks if the same sorts of people have down syndrome. Low functioning autistics might have something to worry about, but not aspies.

I wouldn't be so sure. There are university graduates with Down syndrome, and I'm sure there'll one day be a doctor with the syndrome. Down's can cause intellectual disability, but doesn't necessarily.

I think a lot of patients would have something to say about putting their health in the hands of someone with Down’s syndrome, and probably of an autistic, too.

A lot of patients would have something to say about putting their health in the hands of a black person or a Muslim, too. But that's the patient's problem, not the qualified doctor's.

Alfie Evans' disability is that he is not capable of living. It's not murder to turn off the machines that are artificially keeping a heart beating.

I don't think it's possible to develop a pre-natal test for autism. I think it would be a bad thing. While I don't think unborn humans have a right to life, I think neurodiversity is a good thing - and that goes for DS as well as ASD.

Hm. Although I would agree that having an abortion for whatever reason is within the rights of a woman, I don't believe it makes it always right.

To put an easy example, in China they abort fetuses for the reason of being a woman. They may do so if they want, but I don't like it.

People have the right to do wrong. But it's still wrong,

And I don't believe that autism is a right cause for abortion, either.

Maybe if the patient is taking advantage of some kind of health care subsidized with taxpayer money. Otherwise, you vote with your wallet and get to discriminate in any way you like.

"Taking advantage of" - wow, language like this reminds me of how great it is to live in Europe, where we view healthcare as a right, where no one is left bankrupt because of an accident or illness, and where a Breaking Bad 'cook meth to raise money for cancer treatment' scenario is considered unthinkable.

It would be harder to discriminate against a minority-background doctor if they were a specialist. How many doctors in a particular geographical area specialise in treating, say, scoliosis? If one of the only scoliosis specialists in the city had autism or Down's then patients would have to go to them, even if they could 'vote with their wallets', because otherwise they'd have to travel or wait ages to see the non-disabled specialist in town. Also, if the doctor worked on the hospital wards or the emergency department then patients would have little choice but to accept treatment from them.