What types of government do most Autistics like?
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smudge wrote:
I would want:
One that regulates housing more in favour of the tenant - rent pricing, housing conditions, tenants’ rights, more secure tenancies, eliminate right to buy in social housing.
I would also introduce categories of housing, like in train carriages where they have quiet and loud carriages. In housing where families reside, place them in an A block. Where quiet people reside, place them in what landlords would usually call accommodation for professionals, and say label that as B housing.
I would also introduce strict regulations on repairs and workmanship, because I can’t believe how much companies and councils are allowed to get away with such cheap and shoddy repairs, in my experience too. Some of it is dangerous.
I would reintroduce all the police, NHS staff and firemen from the cuts. I can’t believe what this government gets away with. Sod CrossRail.
I don’t know how car insurance works, but I don’t understand how uninsured drivers don’t have to pay up anything if an accident happens. That individual should be heavily fined, surely.
Stop giving all the money to the top 1%, cancel Crossrail and give that money to people who actually need it.
Don’t allow big companies to use this country for profit to their own countries while ripping us off e.g. train and utility companies. It’s as if this government doesn’t have a sense of pride for its own country and citizens.
I’m not that politically minded, so that will do for now.
And introduce youth centres to cut crime, and quit sending out NHS nurses “back their countries”, it’s bloody stupid.
Ban TV adverts that make women feel insecure, they’re all designed to, even in the tone of voice used.
Make food companies stop using misused words like “Freshly made”, “Nature” and “Natural” to trick people into thinking their food and snacks are healthy.
One that regulates housing more in favour of the tenant - rent pricing, housing conditions, tenants’ rights, more secure tenancies, eliminate right to buy in social housing.
I would also introduce categories of housing, like in train carriages where they have quiet and loud carriages. In housing where families reside, place them in an A block. Where quiet people reside, place them in what landlords would usually call accommodation for professionals, and say label that as B housing.
I would also introduce strict regulations on repairs and workmanship, because I can’t believe how much companies and councils are allowed to get away with such cheap and shoddy repairs, in my experience too. Some of it is dangerous.
I would reintroduce all the police, NHS staff and firemen from the cuts. I can’t believe what this government gets away with. Sod CrossRail.
I don’t know how car insurance works, but I don’t understand how uninsured drivers don’t have to pay up anything if an accident happens. That individual should be heavily fined, surely.
Stop giving all the money to the top 1%, cancel Crossrail and give that money to people who actually need it.
Don’t allow big companies to use this country for profit to their own countries while ripping us off e.g. train and utility companies. It’s as if this government doesn’t have a sense of pride for its own country and citizens.
I’m not that politically minded, so that will do for now.
And introduce youth centres to cut crime, and quit sending out NHS nurses “back their countries”, it’s bloody stupid.
Ban TV adverts that make women feel insecure, they’re all designed to, even in the tone of voice used.
Make food companies stop using misused words like “Freshly made”, “Nature” and “Natural” to trick people into thinking their food and snacks are healthy.
I think that's a vote for totalitarianism.
smudge wrote:
What else was I supposed to pick up from that?
How about what I actually said?
Shatbat wrote:
Currently, I like welfare states, that care over fair distribution of resources and minimum standards of living given to their citizens and inhabitants, and make sure there are not fundamental rights violations.
The only fair distribution of resources is to let everyone keep what they've earned. All of it. Anything else is theft. Period.
Shatbat wrote:
One of my strongest beliefs in this matter is that power will ultimately attract people who will want to get it, hoard it and maintain it for themselves and their inner circles (especially family) for as long as possible. So no government system should have one position with too much of it.
Out of this belief many personal preferences flow out. I like the legislative/executive/judiciary division of power, and dislike when one branch gets too powerful. I prefer federalism over centralism; I like when states having a high degree of power and autonomy instead of one central figure having all of it and easily overriding the preferences of individual places. I recently heard about Switzerland's government system, where they don't even have a singular head of State because all integrants of their federal council are equals, and I find that just awesome.
This is however counterbalanced by a second core belief; that if one, just one country or organization becomes significantly more powerful than everyone else, they will also want to get more, hoard it, and put themselves as the top for as long as they can. And by definition they will have the power to make that happen. So to counterbalance that, we need either a second, or a third, fourth... etc power (which goes against my first belief, as that makes 2, 3 or 4 entities with too much power). Or the alternative is federations that represent a collective of people, communities, territories, nations, where they band together to protect their interests while keeping each other in check and no individual person or organization holds too much power over it.
I personally see states under a confederation, or the European Union, as entities following this model, and this is why I support them. I like the European Union and I believe that while each european nation is individually too weak to stand against heavyweights like the US, China or Russia, the European Union as a whole just might. And that's also probably the reason Putin interferred with the Brexit referendum, he also knows this and he wants a weak European Union that can't stand up to Russia.
Out of this belief many personal preferences flow out. I like the legislative/executive/judiciary division of power, and dislike when one branch gets too powerful. I prefer federalism over centralism; I like when states having a high degree of power and autonomy instead of one central figure having all of it and easily overriding the preferences of individual places. I recently heard about Switzerland's government system, where they don't even have a singular head of State because all integrants of their federal council are equals, and I find that just awesome.
This is however counterbalanced by a second core belief; that if one, just one country or organization becomes significantly more powerful than everyone else, they will also want to get more, hoard it, and put themselves as the top for as long as they can. And by definition they will have the power to make that happen. So to counterbalance that, we need either a second, or a third, fourth... etc power (which goes against my first belief, as that makes 2, 3 or 4 entities with too much power). Or the alternative is federations that represent a collective of people, communities, territories, nations, where they band together to protect their interests while keeping each other in check and no individual person or organization holds too much power over it.
I personally see states under a confederation, or the European Union, as entities following this model, and this is why I support them. I like the European Union and I believe that while each european nation is individually too weak to stand against heavyweights like the US, China or Russia, the European Union as a whole just might. And that's also probably the reason Putin interferred with the Brexit referendum, he also knows this and he wants a weak European Union that can't stand up to Russia.
Get rid of all governments and that whole mess becomes moot. By the way, I think there's a pretty strong consensus that the EU is finished.
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Spiderpig wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
Currently, I like welfare states, that care over fair distribution of resources and minimum standards of living given to their citizens and inhabitants, and make sure there are not fundamental rights violations.
The only fair distribution of resources is to let everyone keep what they've earned. All of it. Anything else is theft. Period.
Although that statement looks superficially correct, it has several fundamental flaws.
First, what do you mean by "earn it". Are you talking about money? Do you believe that in our current world, there is a 1:1 relationship between the effort put on their jobs and the resources they get out of them?
Do you believe people who were lucky enough to be born into money have "earned" it in any way?
Do you helieve that those who are disadvantaged for one reason or another must suck it up?
Besides, taxation and such are in the end nothing more than a systematic way to enforce the basic principle that if you belong to a community, are benefited by it, and are able to contribute to its common welfare, then you must contribute something for the common good. They are part of the social contract. It's not perfect, I'd rather have smaller communities where most of your taxes/contributions stay locally so you can more directly see their effect, and large scale corruption would become more difficult, but I wouldn't go as far as to consider them theft, either.
Spiderpig wrote:
Shatbat wrote:
One of my strongest beliefs in this matter is that power will ultimately attract people who will want to get it, hoard it and maintain it for themselves and their inner circles (especially family) for as long as possible. So no government system should have one position with too much of it.
Out of this belief many personal preferences flow out. I like the legislative/executive/judiciary division of power, and dislike when one branch gets too powerful. I prefer federalism over centralism; I like when states having a high degree of power and autonomy instead of one central figure having all of it and easily overriding the preferences of individual places. I recently heard about Switzerland's government system, where they don't even have a singular head of State because all integrants of their federal council are equals, and I find that just awesome.
This is however counterbalanced by a second core belief; that if one, just one country or organization becomes significantly more powerful than everyone else, they will also want to get more, hoard it, and put themselves as the top for as long as they can. And by definition they will have the power to make that happen. So to counterbalance that, we need either a second, or a third, fourth... etc power (which goes against my first belief, as that makes 2, 3 or 4 entities with too much power). Or the alternative is federations that represent a collective of people, communities, territories, nations, where they band together to protect their interests while keeping each other in check and no individual person or organization holds too much power over it.
I personally see states under a confederation, or the European Union, as entities following this model, and this is why I support them. I like the European Union and I believe that while each european nation is individually too weak to stand against heavyweights like the US, China or Russia, the European Union as a whole just might. And that's also probably the reason Putin interferred with the Brexit referendum, he also knows this and he wants a weak European Union that can't stand up to Russia.
Out of this belief many personal preferences flow out. I like the legislative/executive/judiciary division of power, and dislike when one branch gets too powerful. I prefer federalism over centralism; I like when states having a high degree of power and autonomy instead of one central figure having all of it and easily overriding the preferences of individual places. I recently heard about Switzerland's government system, where they don't even have a singular head of State because all integrants of their federal council are equals, and I find that just awesome.
This is however counterbalanced by a second core belief; that if one, just one country or organization becomes significantly more powerful than everyone else, they will also want to get more, hoard it, and put themselves as the top for as long as they can. And by definition they will have the power to make that happen. So to counterbalance that, we need either a second, or a third, fourth... etc power (which goes against my first belief, as that makes 2, 3 or 4 entities with too much power). Or the alternative is federations that represent a collective of people, communities, territories, nations, where they band together to protect their interests while keeping each other in check and no individual person or organization holds too much power over it.
I personally see states under a confederation, or the European Union, as entities following this model, and this is why I support them. I like the European Union and I believe that while each european nation is individually too weak to stand against heavyweights like the US, China or Russia, the European Union as a whole just might. And that's also probably the reason Putin interferred with the Brexit referendum, he also knows this and he wants a weak European Union that can't stand up to Russia.
Get rid of all governments and that whole mess becomes moot. By the way, I think there's a pretty strong consensus that the EU is finished.
What would you replace a government with?
Another of my strongest beliefs on politics is that a community of individuals providing each other common support is stronger that it's parts. So even if there was no government at all, there would still be small communities that cooperate with each other, forming what is effectively a mini government,
Ans then either one of them will get ideas of grandeur and start conquering and swallowing up all the others, or those communities will band together and create a super-community which in its turn is stronger than the sum of its individuals.
After a few iterations of this, those groupings will grow large enough in size and complexity that they effectively become governments anyway.
So first, do you see any flaws with this line of thought? Second, seriously, what would ykj replace a government with? And third, for that repkacement that you suggest, how would you ensure that it is a stable system that will not eventually change into something else that will result in a government anyway?
Also, with Merkel and Macron where they are, I wouldn't give up on the EU just yet.
Also I wonder what smudge thinks about Brexit
Also, goddamn I missed these forum smileys
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Right leaning libertarian for me.
And if it isnt already obvious enough, there's no such thing as "most statistics" when it comes to political preferences.
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Shatbat wrote:
Although that statement looks superficially correct, it has several fundamental flaws.
First, what do you mean by "earn it".
First, what do you mean by "earn it".
Get it by any means other than having the government hand it to you, which necessarily involves stealing it from someone else first.
Shatbat wrote:
Are you talking about money?
I’m talking about any form of wealth.
Shatbat wrote:
Do you believe that in our current world, there is a 1:1 relationship between the effort put on their jobs and the resources they get out of them?
Irrelevant.
Shatbat wrote:
Do you believe people who were lucky enough to be born into money have "earned" it in any way?
Maybe earn is a misleading word in that case, but it’s irrelevant, because wealthy parents should have every right to use their wealth to privilege their children in any way they can and want to. If the children themselves haven’t earned it, their families certainly have and are doing with it freely what they want.
Shatbat wrote:
Do you helieve that those who are disadvantaged for one reason or another must suck it up?
Indeed, because it’s noöne’s responsibility to do anything about their disadvantage but their own.
Shatbat wrote:
Besides, taxation and such are in the end nothing more than a systematic way to enforce the basic principle that if you belong to a community, are benefited by it, and are able to contribute to its common welfare, then you must contribute something for the common good. They are part of the social contract.
A contract you’re born into without your consent is no contract.
Shatbat wrote:
It's not perfect, I'd rather have smaller communities where most of your taxes/contributions stay locally so you can more directly see their effect, and large scale corruption would become more difficult,
You can have private gated communities. No taxes needed, and no corruption, by the same token.
Shatbat wrote:
but I wouldn't go as far as to consider them theft, either.
Why not? Because the thieving organization doesn’t call its own theft theft? How is it any different from any other party taking what is yours by force?
Shatbat wrote:
What would you replace a government with?
I wouldn’t replace it with anything. In fact, I wouldn’t expect to survive, but this doesn’t change the fact that I think that if we must have ethical principles at all, the single libertarian one is indisputable. Therefore, whatever happens after government is removed is the right thing, by definition.
Shatbat wrote:
Another of my strongest beliefs on politics is that a community of individuals providing each other common support is stronger that it's parts. So even if there was no government at all, there would still be small communities that cooperate with each other, forming what is effectively a mini government,
Ans then either one of them will get ideas of grandeur and start conquering and swallowing up all the others, or those communities will band together and create a super-community which in its turn is stronger than the sum of its individuals.
After a few iterations of this, those groupings will grow large enough in size and complexity that they effectively become governments anyway.
Ans then either one of them will get ideas of grandeur and start conquering and swallowing up all the others, or those communities will band together and create a super-community which in its turn is stronger than the sum of its individuals.
After a few iterations of this, those groupings will grow large enough in size and complexity that they effectively become governments anyway.
No problem as long as that “common support” is strictly voluntary. By the way, even if such a community is stronger than its parts, it’ll be even stronger if it lets its weak parts naturally die, rather than keeping them artificially alive at the expense of net providers.
Shatbat wrote:
So first, do you see any flaws with this line of thought?
Not right now.
Shatbat wrote:
Second, seriously, what would ykj replace a government with?
Already answered.
Shatbat wrote:
And third, for that repkacement that you suggest, how would you ensure that it is a stable system
I wouldn’t.
By the way, I doubt most people, when voting, give a crap whether what they’re voting for makes a system stable, or whether it’s already been done with results starkly different from their expectations. And if they do give a crap, they’ll find a way to believe whatever they need to believe in order to justify their vote. The normal human procedure is first choose in a split second the conclusion you want, and then make up whatever BS reasoning you need to reach it—not the other way round.
Shatbat wrote:
that will not eventually change into something else that will result in a government anyway?
As soon as it begins taxing people by force, the right thing to do will be to get rid of it again. Time to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants, I guess.
Shatbat wrote:
Also, with Merkel and Macron where they are, I wouldn't give up on the EU just yet.
It may still get some outside help to fall.
Shatbat wrote:
Also I wonder what smudge thinks about Brexit
Last time I read something from her about the issue, she was all for it.
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The government should never take wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not.
I agree. Though I think sick, elderly people, or severely disabled people should be entitled to tax money.
In a country like New Zealand, being uneducated and unskilled is a choice. There are countless grants, programmes and scholarships available to people from all walks of life.
I don’t want people who make bad choices getting my tax money.
Some people really do offer nothing to society, yet expect the world. Lazy bludger I used to live with expected her husband to give her $40,000 for a car. People like that actually make me sick to my stomach. The fact they breed and spread their poisonous attitude is alarming.
Due to my life experiences, I am strictly anti socialism and anti communism.
Never again in my life will I vote for a left wing government.
hale_bopp wrote:
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The government should never take wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not.
I agree. Though I think sick, elderly people, or severely disabled people should be entitled to tax money.
Contradiction!
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Spiderpig wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
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The government should never take wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who have not.
I agree. Though I think sick, elderly people, or severely disabled people should be entitled to tax money.
Contradiction!
Well, partly agree, then.
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