Are there any Autistics that are opposed to socialism?

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kraftiekortie
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11 Jul 2018, 9:34 am

Socialism does not take into account human nature---at all.

Karl Marx had some cockamamie ideas about the "masses." As if the "masses" were an amorphous mass of humanity.



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11 Jul 2018, 9:46 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Socialism does not take into account human nature---at all. Karl Marx had some cockamamie ideas about the "masses." As if the "masses" were an amorphous mass of humanity.
Karl Marx was one of the first to try his hand at psychohistory - the prediction of future events by examination of human behavior. He also believed that, given an ideal society, humans would evolve away from crime, selfishness, and greed within just a few generations. He was wrong -- look at what became of the former Soviet Union (a.k.a., "The Workers' Paradise").

Now here we are today, with people praising Socialism and making the same mistakes regarding human nature, classless societies, and government regulation of wealth. People will not change just because you make life easier for them; all you're doing is making it easier for them to be non-productive. Why work when "Big  Brother  Government" gives you everything you need?



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11 Jul 2018, 8:48 pm

So far, the most workable system is a hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Give people incentive to make material wealth and be happy, but also have mechanisms in place to provide care and sustenance to those who have fallen behind or who are either disabled, aged, or long term unemployed.


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11 Jul 2018, 9:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
So far, the most workable system is a hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Give people incentive to make material wealth and be happy, but also have mechanisms in place to provide care and sustenance to those who have fallen behind or who are either disabled, aged, or long term unemployed.


Sounds like you're describing the government model of the U.S.?



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11 Jul 2018, 11:22 pm

Magna wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
So far, the most workable system is a hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Give people incentive to make material wealth and be happy, but also have mechanisms in place to provide care and sustenance to those who have fallen behind or who are either disabled, aged, or long term unemployed.


Sounds like you're describing the government model of the U.S.?


The western Europeans are further ahead of us with a better model.


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12 Jul 2018, 12:01 am

I’m certainly not opposed, I’m politically like famous aspie Albert Einstein - a proud internationalist, socialist.



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13 Jul 2018, 9:26 am

Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
"Workers' self-management" often leads to bad things happening to us autistic folk.
I assume that you've read Orwell's "Animal Farm" ...
George Orwell wrote:
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."




-George Orwell described himself as a democratic socialist. He fought for Revolutionary Catalonia, an industrialized region that was under workers' self-management.



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13 Jul 2018, 10:24 am

RushKing wrote:
Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
"Workers' self-management" often leads to bad things happening to us autistic folk.
I assume that you've read Orwell's "Animal Farm" ...
George Orwell wrote:
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."



-George Orwell described himself as a democratic socialist. He fought for Revolutionary Catalonia, an industrialized region that was under workers' self-management.


Yup. Animal Farm is not a complaint against socialism, but a complaint against corrupting it.

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George Orwell wrote the manuscript [for Animal Farm] in 1943 and 1944 subsequent to his experiences during the Spanish Civil War, which he described in Homage to Catalonia (1938). In the preface of a 1947 Ukrainian edition of Animal Farm, he explained how escaping the communist purges in Spain taught him "how easily totalitarian propaganda can control the opinion of enlightened people in democratic countries". This motivated Orwell to expose and strongly condemn what he saw as the Stalinist corruption of the original socialist ideals.


This is a new account, so I'm not allowed to post links. The source is Wikipedia's page on Animal Farm.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Magna wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
So far, the most workable system is a hybrid of socialism and capitalism. Give people incentive to make material wealth and be happy, but also have mechanisms in place to provide care and sustenance to those who have fallen behind or who are either disabled, aged, or long term unemployed.


Sounds like you're describing the government model of the U.S.?


The western Europeans are further ahead of us with a better model.


Agreed.