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20 Aug 2018, 2:41 pm

Don't mistake diversity for forcing it where it's not natural/necessary/etc.



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20 Aug 2018, 2:48 pm

I wonder what people's thoughts are of the lack of diversity in ethnonationalist homogeneous societies, like Korea and Japan (note: the younger generation aren't as much so as the older ones in those two countries). Korea, for example, takes pride in their alleged homogeneous DNA.

Although, I will note, Koreans love Europeans, so in that sense they're not ethnonationalist; rather, their primary concern is immigration from other Asian countries. Also will note that they really do not like the Japanese, even in the youngest generations (resentment passes down as far back as the 16th century, and really rose during their brutal occupation under Imperialist Japan). Japan also expresses concerns over immigration from other Asian countries. Even then, despite remarks here and there from the United Nations, people seem to overall be fine with Korea and Japan wanting to remain the way they are and continue their agenda that goes against diversity, or perhaps there are people against this that I am unaware of.

Is it bad that these two countries generally want to remain this way, or is it fine for them to continue?

On a quick note, I would like to briefly touch American diversity: my view is that it comes naturally. The many cultures of our nation came from a mixture of many other cultures abroad. For instance, where I live, the culture comes from a mixture of Scottish, Irish, English, some Cajun, and a good bit of African culture as well as some Caribbean influence. That wasn't forced and it just happened. That's how I believe America was made: mixing many cultures and creating a lot of other cultures. The melting pot! :heart:


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20 Aug 2018, 3:19 pm

Hyeokgeose wrote:
I wonder what people's thoughts are of the lack of diversity in ethnonationalist homogeneous societies, like Korea and Japan.


...and Wakanda?


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20 Aug 2018, 3:20 pm

Diversity depends...

If we are talking about abilities, diversity is good, because we cannot all be good at everything at once.

If we are talking about opinions, that is a different thing:

Saudi Arabia and Norway. You have two countries with their different cultures and laws, which is diversity. But in this case, diversity is a bad thing, entirely a bad thing, since Saudi Arabia should be wiped off the Earth/invaded and have a regime change to abolish its ridiculous laws.

They pose a threat to the human progress, science and human rights.

There is too much cultural diversity in this world. It is all fine with different traditions so long they are entirely voluntary to participate it. But when culture interferes with liberty, that cultural diversity is a bad thing.



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20 Aug 2018, 3:21 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
Hyeokgeose wrote:
I wonder what people's thoughts are of the lack of diversity in ethnonationalist homogeneous societies, like Korea and Japan.


...and Wakanda?


Wakanda? What do you mean by that? I know it's a reference to Black Panther, but don't know what you mean in this instance.


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20 Aug 2018, 3:24 pm

I don't know much about Korea. Japan on the other hand has a very distinct culture and exacting standards for themselves. Add to that Japanese is a notoriously difficult language to learn. Add to that living space is at a premium in Japan. So if I was Japanese I'd be thinking you'd better be bringing something significant to the table and speaking fluent Japanese and fitting in. I don't blame them for wanting to protect that, and outsiders will have a hard time meeting Japanese standards.



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20 Aug 2018, 3:27 pm

Diversity is a good thing - hell, it's how we came to exist and in some cases thrive!

But in most senses, diversity is only good inasmuch as it does not harm the other elements.



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20 Aug 2018, 3:30 pm

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I don't know much about Korea. Japan on the other hand has a very distinct culture and exacting standards for themselves. Add to that Japanese is a notoriously difficult language to learn. Add to that living space is at a premium in Japan. So if I was Japanese I'd be thinking you'd better be bringing something significant to the table and speaking fluent Japanese and fitting in. I don't blame them for wanting to protect that, and outsiders will have a hard time meeting Japanese standards.


In short, Korea is like that too. Land is also a premium luxury there (~510 people per sq. km).


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20 Aug 2018, 3:35 pm

Great Post! I agree. As we all know, only white male heterosexual normies deserve to have representation or support without it being considered pandering. :D

No need for diversity ever. Especially that filthy/fake "Neuro" kind. :wink:

Accomidating an Asperger person (especially an LGBTQ/POC one) would just be SJW pandering, after all.


Great job defending the status quo and sticking it to all those aspies and other groups. Super brave of you! :lol:



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20 Aug 2018, 3:39 pm

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Don't mistake diversity for forcing it where it's not natural/necessary/etc.

Because companies think it's a good thing, they like to proudly toot their horn about their forced diversity programs and diversity targets and minorities in high positions or in positions created exclusively for minorities. So it's probably not difficult to find out if somewhere has forced diversity or organic diversity. Places running on equal opportunity principles just won't be talking about it and won't have anything about them to do with it.



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20 Aug 2018, 3:47 pm

I find that diversity is quite a good thing where a multitude of different perspectives is needed, such as in creative collaborations.

Like it or not, what you are has a direct impact on how you're treated. A heterosexual white dude in the U.S. does not have the same set of experiences as Muslim woman in Iran.


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20 Aug 2018, 3:49 pm

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I find that diversity is quite a good thing where a multitude of different perspectives is needed, such as in creative collaborations.

Like it or not, what you are has a direct impact on how you're treated. A heterosexual white dude in the U.S. does not have the same set of experiences as Muslim woman in Iran.


Also, of course, country, nation, region, and its culture, contribute to how people are generally treated too.


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20 Aug 2018, 3:50 pm

Hyeokgeose wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
Hyeokgeose wrote:
I wonder what people's thoughts are of the lack of diversity in ethnonationalist homogeneous societies, like Korea and Japan.


...and Wakanda?


Wakanda? What do you mean by that? I know it's a reference to Black Panther, but don't know what you mean in this instance.


I'm by no means the only one who's made the observation, but BP's Wakanda is basically Richard Spencer's dreamland but with black people. Right down to the "elite warrior caste". Plus, I think it's doing a disservice to Africans and black people in general to write a story in which all of Africa was conquered save for one nation, which managed to survive and thrive not through any merit of their own, but owing instead entirely to magic rocks.

There are real unconquered African nations, y'know...


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20 Aug 2018, 3:51 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Great Post! I agree. As we all know, only white male heterosexual normies deserve to have representation or support without it being considered pandering. :D

No need for diversity ever. Especially that filthy/fake "Neuro" kind. :wink:

Accomidating an Asperger person (especially an LGBTQ/POC one) would just be SJW pandering, after all.


Great job defending the status quo and sticking it to all those aspies and other groups. Super brave of you! :lol:

Ah, this post has reminded me of when the "It's okay to be white" thing happened.

For those who don't know, I don't remember what started it, but it was a period when people in various places put up posters saying "It's okay to be white." Nothing fancy, just blank paper with those five words. And people lost their minds. It was unbelievable. It made mainstream media. The most harmless thing and the most incredible reactions.

It's okay to be white. It's okay to be black too, and anything else.



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20 Aug 2018, 3:53 pm

The way the title is written makes it sound like people should be separated by culture, race, etc. and that having people together mixed is a bad thing lol.

In my area we have different people living here of different culture, race, nationality. But I have noticed in small towns, there is less diversity because people of different race and culture and who come from other countries tend to stick to big cities. When I lived in Montana, it was rare seeing a immigrant there or seeing a black person or someone of different race. Instead I only saw exchange students and that would be the only time I would meet someone from another country. People in town were either Native or white. Go to Portland, you see more diverse people and many of my co workers have been immigrants. Just imagine if diversity was truly a bad thing my town decides to start doing segregation and dividing each area up by saying only Mexicans can live there and only the Russians can live in that area and so on and places deciding "We will only hire whites" since this is a white area. But I am glad they can live wherever and work where ever and I am glad they can have their business wherever and that someone can have a Greek restaurant and serve Greek food from their home country.


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20 Aug 2018, 3:54 pm

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Like it or not, what you are has a direct impact on how you're treated. A heterosexual white dude in the U.S. does not have the same set of experiences as Muslim woman in Iran.


It can definitely be said that guys of any type the US doesn't know what it's like to be a woman of any type in the US as well.

This is why it's important to listen to minorities because only the group that is impacted knows what is best for them due to their personal, yet at the same time universal to their group, experience.