Is materialism and feminism/SJW-hood related?

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Hey my name is Mateusz and I am a Polish Ph.D candidate in Physics, studying in Krakow Poland. Now I want to make it clear, I am not in anyway religious and I sort of oppose organized religion in general, I am equally opposed to downright cookie cutter based materialism.

It is not that materialism is philosophically repulsive to me, but merely it tends to always be associated with the debauched left. Every day we see that particular sociological trends tend to be driven exactly by the crucible influence of left wing/SJW/feminist propaganda. Is abortion bad? NO! It is just a collection of cells, we beg the question that materialism true, and after a magnificent leap of non sequitur logic it not only becomes a legalized practise but a human right that you and I have no choice but to pay for.

Tell me what you think.

Support for abortion has nothing to do with materialism. It has to do with the sovereignty of your own body. No one has the right to demand even an organ from you, much less your whole body and life.

well .... the "my body my choice"- part is only on the side of the pregnant woman. one could argue that the other body in this, the embryo, is deprived of its rights. but then, the embryo is just a body of cells - .... so the question is to some extent right to see a connection there. But the connection is incidental. It is a scientific materialism that is being used to justify social changes.

but then, on the conservative side you have an analogous method - for example, when people stress the biological differences of the sexes to justify their ideas of policies or systemic inequalities etc

so ... yes, connection, but not a causal one. scientific materialism is used on all sides, whenever they are in need for a justification. and it's dropped when it doesn't fit whatever agenda you're trying to push.


historically, btw., rates of abortion have been pretty stable, and whether abortion is legal or not more or less only decides on whether the women survive or not.
calling it the "debauched left" is simply biased. You're studying for a PhD- so look at the numbers and drop the stupid religiously tainted rhetoric.

Abortion was pretty much the case in point that I used when discussing the intersection between the feminist/SJW dogma and the materialistic worldview.

Think of it this from this point of view: unless you prescribe to the MWI (in which every outcome can and will happen)for example, the notion of whether you are born or not ultimately can be traced to whether your parents actually choose to abort you. So, ask yourself this, if one didn't prescribe towards a materialistic worldview, there would literally be no obstacle for you to actually consider any philosophical/ethical implications for your actions, even if you dislike abortion from a moral standpoint. Materialism empowers this line of thinking, after all, if you are alive and choose to abort, you could easily construe that the termination of the fetus isn't your problem and you won't have to face any consequences that you underwent an abortion.

The SJW line of thinking reflects this. Any SJW proposition (e.g abortion-on-demand-that-you-have-to-pay-for) is not grounded in any other philosophical viewpoint save for materialism. Legalization of all drugs? SJW enterprise. After all, who would forward an idea so ridiculous other than a feminist/SJW?

Yay, another anti-feminist who uses terms like SJW unironically and wants to tell women what to do with our bodies. Just what we need.

Interesting that you jumped right into PPR to tell us this too, by way of introduction.

By any chance, are you an incel/MRA?

Materialism is not incompatible with morality. There are material consequences for any action, especially abortion; personal, social, ethical, and medical results. Materialist ethics asks the question, does this choice result in greater or lesser well-being for humanity as a whole? The well-being of the fetus also comes into play, whether or not it is considered to have a soul.

Anti-feminism is not rooted in biology. There is no demonstrable difference between male and female brains. Legalization of drugs is also a harm-reduction consideration. The result being that the black market for drugs is eliminated, and addiction can be addressed as a medical rather than a law-enforcement issue.

So is materialism true? What is the alternative?

Before I join this discussion, can someone please tell me which type of "Materialism" is being discussed?

• Christian Materialism: The combination of Christian theology with the ideas of materialism, which places a high value on material things.

• Cultural Materialism (anthropology): An anthropological research orientation first introduced by Marvin Harris.

• Cultural Materialism (cultural studies): A movement in literary theory and cultural studies originating with left-wing literary critic Raymond Williams.

• Dialectical Materialism: A strand of Marxism which proposes that every economic order develops internal contradictions and weaknesses that contribute to its systemic decay.

• Economic Materialism: The desire to accumulate material goods.

• Historical Materialism: A theory of socioeconomic development most commonly associated with Marxism, where changes in material conditions (technology and productive capacity) are the primary influences on how human society is organized.

• Scientific Materialism: The view that the universe consists only of organized matter and energy.

• Spiritual Materialism: A misuse of spiritual practice which seeks to subvert spiritual experiences to inflate the sense of self or one's ego.

Without a clearly-defined and agreed-upon definition, any further discussion is meaningless.

Scientific Materialism

But they have the right to demand labor from you.

I assume he does not mean the "spending money on sports cars, and rolex watches, to impress your neighbors" sense of the word "materialism".

That he means "physics without metaphysics, scientific materialism" (that as opposed to a world view that is spiritually based, or something).

Any political creed that is secular, and seeks human solutions to human problems, is related to "materialism".

And that would be just about every political creed of the last three centuries: American Jeffersonian democracy, capitalism, socialism, Marxism, and Nazism. In the West there have been alliances between fascism and religion (Franco in Spain), and religion and Marxism in Latin America (Liberation Theology). But the only truly nonmaterialistic religion based political creed to arise in the modern world that I can think of is the current Islamic Theocratic style of fascism we see in Iran, and Al Queda, et al.

So unless you're talking about Ayatollahs ALL politics in the modern world is rooted in materialism. So why would SJWism and Feminism be an exception?

Only if you consent to take it to term.

In that case, there is no causal connection between Scientific Materialism and abortion, feminism, and/or the Social Justice Warrior phenomenon, except for what NaturalPlastic stated earlier.

Here's what I think about your claim to be a Polish scientist: I think you're not Polish, but Russian (what's the difference now, anyway?) I think you're a troll paid by Putin to stir up the cesspool in American politics. I think you could not be LESS credible as a scientist with your bias leading your thoughts and your "reasoning" not backed up with any concrete examples. I think any person referring to "the debauched left" is either a brainwashed fool or a paid stooge. I also wonder whose taxes you are referring to. If you're in Poland, I'm reasonably sure your government does NOT pay for abortions, and your government is shifting faster and faster to the right anyway, like the Russians have. Your post is in English, so you are not likely talking about Polish taxes paying for abortion. If you are a guest in my country, may I suggest you leave matters of politics to my countrymen and countrywomen and leave your right-wing claptrap where it belongs, 1930s Nazi Germany.

Hey...you asked.

What I think about the issue you raise (again, probably because you're paid to do so) is that human life is valuable and should be protected, but that living, breathing women are alive on a higher level than fetuses. They have true self-awareness and are mostly capable of conceiving another child after an abortion, which they should be legally permitted to do without interference from religious zealots or fascist governments trying to control their bodies and reproductive choices. Unless and until men are forbidden from masturbating (because, unlike female masturbation, it leads to the death of gametes) no one can say that laws against abortion are not attempts by men to control women's bodies. The hypocrisy speaks for itself.

As for the question of our taxes paying for it, I again point to the blatant hypocrisy at play. Men enjoy many treatments for sexual dysfunction (including little blue pills and penis enlargement procedures) which are often approved by medicare and other tax-sponsored health care plans. These treatments are purely for pleasure and their denial would not cause a permanent disruption in their lives, as an unwanted pregnancy certainly would for a woman. There is also as yet a conspicuous absence of research on the numbers of men receiving such treatment and the sexual abuse of their partners and others. This is something I would call "social justice" since it is pure research and its findings could prevent rape. Anecdotal evidence points to a higher number of convicted rapists having used male enhancement or erectile dysfunction drugs prior to assaulting their victims, some of whom were children. Due to the lack of research, I cannot quote a statistic, and that prevents social discussions from being more substantive.

Women as pawns in a political partisan battle is a tough sell, unlike a zygote, which is not actually a tough cell. Your use of the initials "SJW" and "feminism" as synonymous reveals a deep ignorance I'm not sure you are even interested in overcoming. One can be a feminist, indeed an activist feminist, and not a "social justice warrior". For many feminists, their struggle is a deeply personal, individual one, which centers solely on the right of females (in particular THEM) to be treated as full equals in society and the re-alignment of social institutions to consider female bodies and female personas as much as males in planning and strategy. SJWs are concerned with social justice broadly and across the globe, but usually focus on specific human rights violations in their activism. They would not be satisfied merely with seeing the rights of women respected, but the rights of men, children, people of all ethnicities and sexual orientations respected. They fight for indigenous people and their struggle for environmental justice. They fight for transgendered people and their right to identify their gender or a lack of gender identity. They fight for families decimated by cancer caused by irresponsible polluters.

There is a certain number of people sharing our world who lack the mental capacity to consider other people's rights and sensibilities. They are content to live their little lives without connection with, or care for, people who are different from them. These people often call themselves "conservatives", but they are in error. The worst of this ilk, those who openly attack those who are calling for a more peaceful, just, and equitable human civilization, are moral cowards and misanthropes. Paradoxically, a true social justice warrior would say that these scum ALSO deserve to be respected.

I am not, therefore, a true social justice warrior. The sooner those who fight against equality die off, the better.

People on the autistic spectrum should all be interested in a broader definition of equality, as neurodiversity is still not a fully accepted social concept. You can see that reflected in the fact that the term is not even recognized by spell checkers in web browsers. When we show common cause with others in their struggle for equality and rights, we enhance our chance of success as well as theirs. When we close our minds and hearts and refer to those fighting for social justice as "the debauched left", or "commies" or "liberals", we set our cause back significantly.

Could be a troll.

Either state sponsored, or the normal self appointed kind.

Mr. Mainframe joined this site only about four days ago. And he has only made all of eight posts.

He doesn't have much of track record to show that he is a "real" person (so to speak) with a real personality and character.

Though he speaks well its not quite the way a native UK, or US, English speaker would talk. So at least both you and he could be right about him being from SOME East European country( either Russia, or Poland, would be believable).

Mainframe was banned.