Vaccines and abortion IMO...

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Okay, I have seen quite a few trolls here, and I just want to say that I want this to be a PRODUCTIVE, LOGICAL discussion. Trolling or bullying will NOT be tolerated. And mods, please feel free to make changes to or lock this thread if trolling occurs. Any harm that I cause is purely accidental.

Anyways, on to the topic. I am pro-vaccine, partly because my parents work in the medical field and I myself have an interest in medicine. I really dislike the rhetoric spread by anti-vaccine activists and it could be seen as anti-autism to some degree. If I have children later on, I would want them vaccinated like myself. As for abortions, I am usually against them, albeit with certain exceptions. These exceptions include (but are not limited to) the following:
1) if the pregnancy will hurt the mother somehow
2) if the mother was conceived by rape or sexual assault
3) if the fetus has severe birth defects that will cause death shortly after birth
4) etc.

I would like to hear your opinions. Again, remember that I mean no harm.

Trolling is hard to define, like moderating free-speech. I say no topic is controversial, the people discussing are controversial. People may be A-holes, you'll probably just have to deal with that. I'm pro-opinion, you have a right to express your opinion and I will not judge you for it even if we disagree.

I'm pro-choice on vaccines, I don't think they should be enforced. People have the right to be skeptical. I haven't researched them so I have nothing to bring to the conversation, I have not had any and other than some disabilities that a vaccine couldn't help anyway, I'm pretty healthy and have a strong immune system. Can vaccines prevent autism? I've never heard that one.

Abortion I am pro-choice with limits. If you wish to abort you should get it done ASAP, don't wait 4 months. If you don't want to get pregnant, use birth control and condoms(Both at once!), everybody knows how babies are conceived, take responsibility for your actions(Both sexes).

I do not agree with late term abortions unless there is something very serious going on that may be life threatening for the mother or child, a diagnosis of depression is not good enough, women go through hard times as a result of being pregnant and could possibly make a choice to abort that may haunt them for the remainder of their life especially giving birth to a dead baby. I believe in men's rights also. The choice to abort should involve both people responsible. Some legal things would have to be worked out, you shouldn't be able to kill a man's baby simply because you don't want it, like I said, a lot of legal things need to be worked out there as it is a complicated matter but the man should have a say in keeping a baby.

I am what you would call “AV”.

That is, however; a label that: 1. I did not choose & that I would not have chosen, as I do not identify with it. 2. Is not representative of the majority of the population labeled as such. 3. Is utilized as a Thought-Terminating Cliche, a Glittering Generality & in Ad Hominem attacks.

Therefore; I consider it Propaganda. I see the “We love to hate the Anti-vaccine!” ... trend as similar to the Puritan’s obsession with Witches during the 1600s.

Re: Abortion. If I were to have ever have an abortion I would consider myself to be a counter-evolutionary POS. As far as someone else? It’s just an unfortunate fact of life in society.

If we didn’t have vaccines, many children would still be dying from diseases like diphtheria and smallpox.

It’s a ridiculous act to refuse to vaccinate your children. It’s borderline criminal.

I believe in a woman’s right to choose (abortion). I believe abortions after 3 months gestation should be illegal. Or after you know the growing person will feel something. Yes, babies growing inside the mother are persons.

Vaccines are the kind of topic that's easy: they're scientifically proven and they benefit everyone. Anti-vacciners cannot be accepted because their refusal to accept the set-in-stone facts negatively impacts everyone else.

Abortion is a lot harder, because it's a moral issue that offers negative/positive to only those involved. An abortion, or lack thereof, will not negatively impact everyone else, therefore it is only an issue for those whom will be impacted. Anyone who will not be impacted by the choice, should not interfere as it very clearly does not impact them.

If someones choice impacts others - it stops being their choice. If someones choice doesn't impact others - others have no choice in the matter.

Please define “Trolling” & “Bullying”?

I'm Pro-Life.

Pro-vaccine.

Pro-choice.

<-- Pro-Law.

I've heard of the measles outbreaks in the US and have read articles on the anti-vaccination movement. Hearing about all of this actually makes me believe more strongly in the need for vaccines.