I'm more afraid of the left than the right in the US

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it wouldn't be as painful if there weren't at least 62 million others who agree with that man. a house divided upon itself cannot stand.

I'm not wasting my life fearing anyone.

You don't hear about it because.
The left has more people
The left is also very loud publically. The right often sticks to the dark web

Punching people in the face and doxing them and getting them fired is not as lethal as shooting up houses of worship. The left does not have people in the military the way Atomwaffen does.

The problem is both sides have powerful enablers. The left's enablers are the mainstream media, the entertainment industry, and trendy companies. The rights enablers are the President, a lot of his party and very rich companies that are not so "sexy".

Sodomy is still a felony in Alabama, and probably many other places in that region. Giving or receiving oral sex is a 5-year sentence—for a straight, white couple. At least 10 years for an LGBT couple, and as with any other crime there, people of color get longer sentences.

Everything from Prohibition to the War on Drugs to the zero tolerance policies in our schools was simply to keep people of color in line.

I wonder when the last time was when people were convicted for such “offenses.”

For anyone who doesn't want to read all these responses my position is thus: Environmental stewardship, as espoused by the left, has a track record of averting public health problems, and ensuring resources for future generations. While challenges can arise when engaging in environmental stewardship and while it has always been difficult balancing environmental concerns with other concerns in practice it has never led to dictatorship...ever. It just hasn't

Xenophobia as espoused by Donald Trump and many people on the right, (but not everyone on the right) has a long track record of leading to despotism, political instability, and armed conflict.

Therefore I find the left, and it's green new deal is way less scary than the right. So if you want to read on to find out how I came to this position, or find out if I responded to your comment, please enjoy. Otherwise have a great day.

Environmental problems have always been with us in some form or another, whether it's figuring out what to do with people's sewage or how to manage a forest they've been with us, and to my knowledge addressing these issues have never led to despotism. Stalin didn't not become dictator of the Soviet Union via the subsidizing of windmills, and solar panels. Hitler did not ride the wave to power playing on people's environmental concern.

On the other hand depots have a loooong track record using prejudice, and xenophobia to gain and maintain their power, from Hitler to Milosevic, to Hirohito to the Ayatollah, I could go on an on. In fact I would be hard pressed to find a dictator who doesn't use prejudice of some sort to keep power.

Besides, all due respect, you breath air. You drink water. If these things were contaminated you would be in trouble.



If that were true Europe and Canada would be it ruin right now. Not saying those nations are utopias but they chug along somehow. Still I don't blame you for giving up on politics. It is a mess. I've pegged you as someone who believes in the ideals of minimal government (please correct me if I'm wrong to do that) but I am pretty sure that's dead in America now.




Well it's certainly not desirable to me.



All due respect both of these statements are flat out wrong. Asking you you to please not use the "N-word" is not the same thing as being opposed to freedom of expression. If you were thrown in jail for saying the N-word that would be a different story, but no leftist I know advocates for that, certainly not me. Honestly this talk on the real impact of PC culture should get it's own thread, suffice to say that if you say the N-word on this forum, you won't get kicked off. The worst that will happen a mod will change the word. In fact I've seen plenty, of racist and hateful speech on this forum.

As for that older generation relying on "rugged individualism..."

The great depression saw the rise of the new deal, the introduction of welfare, the use of deficit spending, social security, increased labor protections, government intervention in agriculture, and many other interventions by the US federal government. In fact there would be even more government interventions right up into the election of Ronald Reagan. It's only since then that government interventions have been scaled back, with the election of Barrack Obama being a hicup in that process, and Trump being a mixed bag (that is intervening in some ways, but drawing back interventions in others.) So no. That older generation did not rely on rugged individualism.




I'm investing in solar panels myself actually. Want me to tell you about it?



I read the green new deal and didn't see "no cars" anywhere. This is the closet I could find

A little different than "no cars"



But republicans deficit spend too! How do you think Trump has grown the economy?




Where exactly are you hearing about real life Hollywood_Guy? Other people have said what you have long before this thread was ever created. You've been hearing things from someone. But who?

You are confusing freedom of speech which is the right to say what you want without being arrested with freedom of expression which is lack of censorship from any source. I said freedom of expression. We have gone way way beyond politely asking people not to use the “N-Word” to bullying and intimidating people out of using dated words and expressing certain thoughts.

As for rugged individualism there is much more benefits for individuals and businesses then there was at the time of the original new deal. It is a much of a cultural change as a government one. At the top of the list of job requirements for most positions is team player. That was not true as recently as the 1980s. The attitude rightly or wrongly was everybody has problems it was up to you to figure it out and not burden others with it. There were a lot of people that starved rather then accept welfare.

In Sweden, a pastor can be sent to prison if he says that homosexuality is a sin. We need a law like that here.

Why do you think so? Are we seriously going to go for that?

Progressives & conservatives as individuals are not far apart on the issues, according to the studies. E.g. Trump voters in 2016 tested as a little to the left (sic.) of Clinton voters.

But there is a huge gulf in 'affective polarisation' - how they feel about each other's tribe. We're tribalised over identity and emotion, not on issues.

My sense is that the left-right differences on issues are minor relative to the top-bottom spread between the two economic castes of neoliberalism. I.e. the gap between the wealthy & the rest of us is the real 'polarisation'.

Those who identify as conservative project their loathing for neoliberalism's new caste system on 'liberal elites', and those who identify as progressives project it on 'conservative plutocrats'.

People were bullied in the old days for their views too, that's nothing new. Civil rights protesters, anti-Vietnam protesters, victims of the McCarthy hearings were all bullied for their views, or alleged views in the case of the McCarthy victims, and frankly I would rather be the guy who said something racist today (which I have done on accident) than be any of the other aforementioned people.

Also I don't know how anyone measure's cultural change. I only know how to measure people's votes, and in the old days people voted for FDR, the guy who created welfare, four times. They also voted for Truman, and Kennedy and LBJ, and Nixon who despite being a republican increased government intervention (he created the EPA among other programs), and Carter. Also the people voted for congresses that allowed these presidents to get their interventionist agendas past. If they believed differently they should have voted differently. Clearly the old generation didn't mind government intervention that much. Again only with the rise of Reagan do we start to see a decrease in government intervention. The fact that we haven't gone back to pre-FDR levels yet could just mean that the process takes time.

Also don't forget. Plenty of Americans relied on programs like the Civil conservation corp, and welfare, and social security and other programs to get by. Clearly the old generation by and large was not above receiving government help.

Only if we can lock up people who say we need gun control too
Why don’t we just throw everyone in prison. The whole population

Don't look at me. I sure don't want to go for that.

Yes.
That's a rather un-American amount of control on freedom of speech.

Even, arguably, a breech in the wall between church and state.

I'm cool with that

I must agree with you. I see myself as a libertarian/nationalist (USA) or if you will, a Constitutionalist, "South Park Republican, Barry Goldwater and Michael Savage type. I fear the left a lot. There is one facet of the right I do fear too such as those who want to impose a theocracy and kill those whose "theology ain't right." I'm staunchly pro 2nd Amendment, pro-defense (although there are times we do stick our noses where they should not go), pro borders, language and culture. I don't have a problem with same sex marriage or LGBT rights, I do see a need for a welfare state as a safety net and we do need to focus our young in training for things like vocational skills and STEM skills. I am very pro-Western Civ. I don't think the radicals will get a lot of traction but we must remain vigilant. I just want to be left alone to live my life as I see fit, whether I own an AR-15, a 1977 Pontiac Grand Prix or whatever and if you do that for me, I'll extend the same to you.