Who has had guiltless sex outside of marriage?

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If you're married and have sex with someone you're not married to, that's still "outside of marriage."

That is how it was in my marriage.

I don't see any point in a relationship with a girl if there's no sex. I'm just not interested in all of those things couples do. I can't begin to imagine how much it has to suck being in a marriage where the sex is horrible. I would just sit there staring at her wondering why the hell am I with you?! If I can get the sex without the relationship, then all the better. The less work, the better. Anyone feel the same way?

How about with a guy?

Do you just think that you could never
be friends with anyone who happens
to be female?

I've found that sex adds something
really special to that love.

Of course. I can understand having a platonic relationship with a girl, just as I would a guy. Sorry for that miscommunication. I could have worded that better. As for romantic love... I've never had that before. I've enjoyed relationships with girls, but while they always develop attachment to me, those strong feelings of "love" and attachment were never reciprocated by me. I've tried, but I never develop strong feelings that I could describe as "love" with girls. I usually think of them as friends with whom I have sex, but I have to act like we have something special and sacred. This lack of loving them back has always been the bane of my romantic relationships. Now I'm only interested in physical relationships with "friends." Of course, I'm always careful to explicate this to them and not give them the wrong idea that I care about them in the typical boy/girl romantic relationship sense.

Then you would be guilty of breaking that agreement and that would be something to be guilty about. So what if nobody was married why be guilty there?

it's interesting to look at the courting behaviors of our close primate relatives... there's eerything from monogomy to some very promiscuous arrangements...

ive never been married and have had both guilty and guiltless sex...

but i wonder what guilt rag is referring to?

my guilt experienced was not due to me not being married... but rather trangressions to the person i feel guilt towards.

separate issues.

having had long term relationships and lived with men for extended times... i am not disillusioned towards what a marriage "should" be...

I'm not saying there should be guilt if nobody's married...exception of special circumstances.

I haven't been married. But I fail to see how having sex outside of marriage would be guiltless. If I tried it I would be very guilty. Sorry. Based on my belief system I wouldn't.