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04 Jun 2019, 7:25 am

There was a dude (or dudes, can't recall) who trawled Tumblr for all the gender identities he could find, and came up with something like 300+.


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I think it's because a patriarchal society is less offended my masculine girls than effeminate boys. Like the latter is taken more personally. I don't think it's coincident to this that straight men love lesbian porn (but would not in a million yrs look at gay male porn).


That's actually a lot simpler to explain. Men have a direct link between visual stimulus and sexual arousal, whereas women do not. Lesbian porn has at least twice the number of pretty ladies on display, whereas gay porn has none.


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04 Jun 2019, 7:32 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
There was a dude (or dudes, can't recall) who trawled Tumblr for all the gender identities he could find, and came up with something like 300+.


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I think it's because a patriarchal society is less offended my masculine girls than effeminate boys. Like the latter is taken more personally. I don't think it's coincident to this that straight men love lesbian porn (but would not in a million yrs look at gay male porn).


That's actually a lot simpler to explain. Men have a direct link between visual stimulus and sexual arousal, whereas women do not. Lesbian porn has at least twice the number of pretty ladies on display, whereas gay porn has none.


If I'm being honest, as a straight woman I like male porn. Maybe I'm a gay guy in a woman's body. :D



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04 Jun 2019, 7:33 am

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Does being an abstract thinker with undivided attention make me less female?


In my family, the stereotype is that boys are concrete thinkers and girls are more abstract.

My family has all sorts of unhealthy thoughts about gender that used to piss me off as a kid.

To them, girls are more difficult, irrational, emotional (okay, this one is often true due to hormones - biology), bad with directions, bad at math, and worse at making decisions. It always seemed to boil down to girls being less intelligent.

Then I always felt that I had to prove them wrong in some way, but they wouldn’t change these values that supported their core beliefs.

So.much.angst!

I need to go listen to No Doubt’s “I’m Just a Girl.”



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04 Jun 2019, 7:39 am

magz wrote:
Does being an abstract thinker with undivided attention make me less female?


You know that I didn't suggest this. What I said was that the male mind has a preferrence for abstract thought, but there is a great deal of room for flexibility.

Nor do I suggest that male thinking = good, and female thinking = bad.



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04 Jun 2019, 7:43 am

It’s “upbringing” in the sense that if parents ignore the “signs” of gayness, that’s a “neglectful” upbringing.

That’s not my viewpoint.



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04 Jun 2019, 7:45 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It’s “upbringing” in the sense that if parents ignore the “signs” of gayness, that’s a “neglectful” upbringing.

That’s not my viewpoint.


I see. I'd never heard that theory.



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04 Jun 2019, 7:53 am

It is felt, in certain circles, that parents must nip gay tendencies “in the bud.”



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04 Jun 2019, 7:58 am

I live in a major American city, and have known many gay people of many genders.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:00 am

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In my family, the stereotype is that boys are concrete thinkers and girls are more abstract


Interesting. It's useful to define terms explicitly. What do you mean by concrete vs abstract?

To give an example of what I meant by abstract, from being a kid, I would always find some mechanism or physical process interesting. My mind will "abstract" the key elements and I would be fascinated by the idea of taking that abstraction and applying it to some other context. In the past, human relationships and feelings, were simply a black box to me.

I would also call philosophy "abstract", and it would be true to say that philosophers are typically male (not all - Ayn Rand would be a female example).

My girlfriend on the otherhand can meticulously quote my words back at me from conversations we had months ago. Whereas my brain simply does not have mental machinery to remember such things verbotim, but hers does.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:00 am

Since movies and TV shows that cater to kids typically show heterosexual couples, parents do worry that their kid will grow up feeling different, weird, or like an outsider if he or she happens to be gay. Kids could also subconsciously develop this notion that being gay is wrong if only families with husbands and wives are depicted.

This is becoming less of a problem, though, as there are more kids’ programs depicting diversity.

The next Disney princess should be a lesbian.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:05 am

If you think a table is just a table, you’re a concrete thinker.

If you think a table has an “essence,” you’re an abstract thinker.

Personally, I usually lean towards the former. I am a male.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:14 am

ZETATHON wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
In my family, the stereotype is that boys are concrete thinkers and girls are more abstract


Interesting. It's useful to define terms explicitly. What do you mean by concrete vs abstract?

To give an example of what I meant by abstract, from being a kid, I would always find some mechanism or physical process interesting. My mind will "abstract" the key elements and I would be fascinated by the idea of taking that abstraction and applying it to some other context. In the past, human relationships and feelings, were simply a black box to me.

I would also call philosophy "abstract", and it would be true to say that philosophers are typically male (not all - Ayn Rand would be a female example).

My girlfriend on the otherhand can meticulously quote my words back at me from conversations we had months ago. Whereas my brain simply does not have mental machinery to remember such things verbotim, but hers does.


I love philosophy and abstract, philosophical concepts from literature. I also like abstract forms of mathematics but can’t stand the boredom that, to me, is geometry.

My mind is often up in the clouds instead of thinking about practical, everyday things. I tend to be a bit impractical for this reason.

I’ll get caught up in something someone says and will be swept away on what that specific thing says about our society as a whole. It’s really hard to describe this actually.

Having more male than female philosophers might have less to do with biology and more to do with education (as far as early philosophers are concerned) and socialization. It’s a boys’ club.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you think a table is just a table, you’re a concrete thinker.

If you think a table has an “essence,” you’re an abstract thinker.

Personally, I usually lean towards the former. I am a male.


I think a table is just an attempt at replicating an ideal form. :wink:



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04 Jun 2019, 8:17 am

That’s Plato.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:19 am

Even great thinkers desire to get to the heart of the matter.

Sigmund Freud, supposedly, said that “a cigar, many times, is just a cigar.” (Probably not the verbatim quote).



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04 Jun 2019, 8:24 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Even great thinkers desire to get to the heart of the matter.

Sigmund Freud, supposedly, said that “a cigar, many times, is just a cigar.” (Probably not the verbatim quote).


True, but it’s more fun to think of it as being the alternative.