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16 Aug 2007, 9:23 am

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get some common sense and you'll all realise that god isn't real.


It's not just a matter of common sense.


but it is! don't you know?!?!? wow! golly!


Please don't be naive,

I think she was being sarcastic...


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How do you explain the historical figure of Jesus?

The existence of an historical figure does not make it any more likely that a god exists. I've eaten spaghetti before. I know spaghetti exists. Does that mean I should be less dismissive of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?


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And some of the teachings condemning certain things do have credit.

We don't need religion to tell us this anymore though.



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16 Aug 2007, 10:05 am

Jesus was a great philosopher. He was human.

I'm an atheist.


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16 Aug 2007, 10:32 am

Sopho wrote:
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How do you explain the historical figure of Jesus?

The existence of an historical figure does not make it any more likely that a god exists.

If the historical figure claimed to be god, and backed up his claim with evidence, and that evidence seems to be sound, then it does.


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16 Aug 2007, 10:33 am

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How do you explain the historical figure of Jesus?

The existence of an historical figure does not make it any more likely that a god exists.

If the historical figure claimed to be god, and backed up his claim with evidence, and that evidence seems to be sound, then it does.

But that's just it - WHERE is the evidence that he was a god?



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16 Aug 2007, 10:35 am

Jesus wasnt a god, it was his father who was also his son or something.
it all makes perfect sense when you read the bibel.



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16 Aug 2007, 10:45 am

Jesus was just a symbol and the bible is just a guideline for life. It's not real.



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16 Aug 2007, 10:49 am

Sopho wrote:
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How do you explain the historical figure of Jesus?

The existence of an historical figure does not make it any more likely that a god exists.

If the historical figure claimed to be god, and backed up his claim with evidence, and that evidence seems to be sound, then it does.

But that's just it - WHERE is the evidence that he was a god?


The historical records of his claimed "miracles", the credibility of his teachings, his charisma, his great goodwill, and his masses of followers.


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16 Aug 2007, 10:49 am

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Jesus was just a symbol and the bible is just a guideline for life. It's not real.

your salvation is in the balance sir ! how can you say such heresies ?



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16 Aug 2007, 10:51 am

Anubis wrote:
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How do you explain the historical figure of Jesus?

The existence of an historical figure does not make it any more likely that a god exists.

If the historical figure claimed to be god, and backed up his claim with evidence, and that evidence seems to be sound, then it does.

But that's just it - WHERE is the evidence that he was a god?


The historical records of his claimed "miracles", the credibility of his teachings, his charisma, his great goodwill, and his masses of followers.


the remains of his penis have also been found recently, i read an article about it on the intraweb.



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16 Aug 2007, 10:51 am

Anubis wrote:
The historical records of his claimed "miracles",

Doesn't mean they actually happened.

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the credibility of his teachings,

So this means his father was a god?

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his charisma,

Hitler had charisma as well.

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his great goodwill,

Again, how does this make him/his father a god?

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and his masses of followers.

Lots of people throughout history have had masses of followers.

None of this is evidence that he was anything more than human.



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16 Aug 2007, 10:55 am

ParisHilton wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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Sopho wrote:
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How do you explain the historical figure of Jesus?

The existence of an historical figure does not make it any more likely that a god exists.

If the historical figure claimed to be god, and backed up his claim with evidence, and that evidence seems to be sound, then it does.

But that's just it - WHERE is the evidence that he was a god?


The historical records of his claimed "miracles", the credibility of his teachings, his charisma, his great goodwill, and his masses of followers.


the remains of his penis have also been found recently, i read an article about it on the intraweb.


Don't play stupid clown with me.


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16 Aug 2007, 10:59 am

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The historical records of his claimed "miracles", the credibility of his teachings, his charisma, his great goodwill, and his masses of followers.


The miracles, if real, might be suggestive of divinity if not explained otherwise.

The rest of your evidence any decent human could pull off. It suggests nothing.


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16 Aug 2007, 11:01 am

Sopho wrote:
Anubis wrote:
The historical records of his claimed "miracles",

Doesn't mean they actually happened.

Anubis wrote:
the credibility of his teachings,

So this means his father was a god?

Anubis wrote:
his charisma,

Hitler had charisma as well.

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his great goodwill,

Again, how does this make him/his father a god?

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and his masses of followers.

Lots of people throughout history have had masses of followers.

None of this is evidence that he was anything more than human.


In order to provide a balanced argument, all relevant factors must be taken into consideration.
How did Jesus get so many followers, even after his death, who remain to this day? Why did so many people convert to Christianity, even the Roman Emperor?

One thing we know for certain about him was that he preached goodwill, and died on a crucifix, leaving behind his teachings. Whether or not he was the son of a God is then the question that remains afterwards. Would you not want to be his friend, despite any doubts about his holiness?


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16 Aug 2007, 11:02 am

Jesus isn't real, and a penis would decay into nothing after that long of time. It's a fictional story.

It's just a symbol; love everyone no matter what they do to you and follow your own beliefs, don't get caught up following others. The man who does this seems otherwordly.

The bible is a manual for thought and living as well as a comfort blanket that keeps the soul warm.



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16 Aug 2007, 11:03 am

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Would you not want to be his friend, despite any doubts about his holiness?

What does that have to do with it? Doesn't prove his daddy was a god.



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16 Aug 2007, 11:05 am

Sopho wrote:
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Would you not want to be his friend, despite any doubts about his holiness?

What does that have to do with it? Doesn't prove his daddy was a god.


Please answer the question. People followed him because they loved him as their "saviour", and he at least appeared to love them.


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