Has anyone actually read the Bible?

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The point is that he could have chosen a more coherent
and self-consistent work to base his whole existence around.
He might be better off in dianetics.

Quoting Jesus, I'll respond to you: "Why do you tempt me?"
Once again, you're wrong. We're not under Old Testament law.

You're wrong too, cal. There are no dietary laws in the New Testament.

"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him" (Romans 14:1-3).

"But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do" (1 Cor 8:8 ).

Likewise, "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." In other words, if you choose to keep a Sabbath or Christmas or other holiday - or not keep any of them - it's between you and the Lord. Not for a fellow believer to judge.

I'm wholly confused why Paul's decision
to allow potential converts to disobey
the OT has ANYTHING to do with Jesus.

The two never met, except according to
his own delusions.

That's amusing, considering there are a bunch of truths out there, just wondering which from all of them are the actual truth.

isn't the word of God the entire Bible? not just the new testament, and not just the old testament?


This is cited by my old church to say that the ten commandments were not suppose to be abolished after Jesus' death.

According to history, early christianity observed the sabbath, and the romans changed that when they "converted" to christianity, at least that's what I have read, from other non-religous sources.

This may be a rhetorical question Ragtime etc, but what makes you so damn certain you are right? The scriptures say this and the scriptures say that is not definite PROOF that these things happened; not one of us was there so therefore there is no eyewitness testimony to the fact that this and that happened. We have to take your word, and that is pure faith anyway. BTW, the scriptures are only ACCOUNTS of what MIGHT have happened anyway; the existence of 'god' has not been proven beyond reasonable doubt, so how can we totally rely upon what you are saying to be absolute fact? We can't. It's like expecting us to believe a Rupert Murdoch publication simply because he says everything in it is true; it may be so in his eyes, but to us we may know different.

Postperson: If Jesus is truly the great man you believe, he'd be having a ball listening to all the jokes people are cracking about all this stuff. Matter of fact, I'd say that given the times, he'd have to have been the George Carlin of the 1st century CE.

Greenblue - I guess that this perfect, infallible
being discovered he'd made some errors,
and wanted to fix them.

I wonder why the jewes never accepted the NT, and only christians did, christianity been a new radical movement at the time, probably that must have been, but might be other reasons, probably something to do with the problems they had with the roman empire, as the jewes were portrayed somehow like evil poeple in the new testament, take Judas Iscariot for example.

The early church initially met every day, not just on the sabbath. But that proved to be silly, no one was getting anything done...

The Bible shows that the tradition of the early church then became to meet on the first day of the week, after the sabbath, the day Jesus rose from the grave (Luke 24, John 20), and that became the early church's new sabbath. No longer honoring God's rest after creation, but Jesus' final work and the true Sabbath rest: "It is finished."

"On the first day of the week we came together to break bread [i.e. the Lord's Supper]. Paul spoke to the people [i.e. gave the sermon]..." (Acts 20:7) "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money..." (1 Corinthians 16:2) [Why the first day of the week? Because that was the day they all met together, and therefore the obvious day to take up a collection.]

And we have the record of Paul himself which I quoted earlier (and he was obviously responding to people who demanded people keep the sabbath and feast days), that the days one kept holy - or not - were between that person and the Lord, and not for others to judge.

Still not incontravertible proof that any of it actually happened in the way it's written. Faith is what generates your belief, but not everyone believes that it is absolute fact, and they should not be forced to. To me, they are just stories and folklore, and should be treated as such.

I see here that this is one of few interpretations about this verse, indicating that the first day was the one that was observed now, instead of sabbath stated by "Moses" from the old testament.

Yeah sabatists make another interpretation of this passage.
I believe it might have been because they were doing money accounts, probably that kind of thing was forbidden to do on a sabbath, or they did other stuff on sabbath, which they didn't want to interrupt, also, that doesn't suggest there was a change from saturday to sunday, is not especific, I think there is nowhere in the Bible that clearly suggest there is a change about this, or that the sabbath thing is abolished, but of course there are different intepretations of part of the Bibles, so you might say there is, anyway, it's been a long time since I was in church so I probably didn't get that right

I can say that passages from the Bible have different interpretations for each different sect, my question is, who has the real "truth".

You might have a different interpretation about Matthew 5:17,18 as well, I'd like to hear it.

Something curious, why I have seen a few calendars before that they have sunday as the seventh day, instead of saturday, monday the first day?

I also read somwhere the the change from saturday to sunday was done by the romans, as they mixed some of ther pagan stuff with early christianity, that is where the christmas day came from as well.

Because Jesus was actually born in March of 6 BCE, and with the adjusting of the calendars, his birth is now celebrated in December (close to our Pagan Yule, which is Dec 21). Therefore, Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, which is meant to be 2 lunar cycles after Christmas, is actually between late March and late April, where it should have been closer to the Pagan celebration of June 21. Easter is now actually between Oltara (Mar 21) and Beltane (May 1), both of which are fertility feasts.

Yes I read the bible.
I'll spoil the ending.

the DEVIL did it!! !

Then he and god shook hands and walked off into the sunset.... Now THAT explains everything.

when i was a Christian i was still an untreated and undiagnosed aspie so i read it several times in every version possible including the kione Greek NT i studied Greek so much that the pastor gave me his old Greek dictionary that he had in seminary [he was in his 60s]---that was one of my many obsessions over the years.

love,
julia