03 Oct 2020, 3:16 am
QFT wrote:
I am sure a lot of you said that Trump testing positive shows just how wrong he was when he was reckless about it. I would have said it myself, but since so many people already said it, what's the point in repeating it? But here is something different, that I bet nobody ever said:
a) The incident shows that Trump is honest, since he tweeted about it rather than hide it. What that tells you is that, back when he acted like covid isn't a big deal, it wasn't because he was lying; rather its because he honestly thought it wasn't a big deal. He is just the type of person who doesn't change his -- honest -- opinion easily. But once it changes then he is willing to be open about it.
b) A person with bad intentions would protect themselves while endangering others. But, as we saw, Trump didn't protect himself either. So it wasn't bad intentions, it was sincere mistake.
Well yes you can ask "how could he not know if many people were confronting him about it". Well here is how: he sincerely believed he was right and everyone else was wrong. Sure, this belief is stupid, but stupid doesn't mean evil. Imagine the situation that you are the only adult in a room filled with 5 year olds. Would you say, in this situation, that you are right and everyone in the room is wrong? I hope so. Well, the only problem is that senior medical specialists are not 5 year olds. But maybe Trump perceives them to be. And if he perceives something different from what it is, it's not his fault. You can't "choose" how you perceive something. If you look at a sky and see it red rather than blue it's not your choice either.
Like I said, him testing positive also said a bunch of bad things about him too (such as how wrong he was when he was reckless). But it all was said before. It is important to acknowledge some good things.
a) The incident shows that Trump is honest, since he tweeted about it rather than hide it. What that tells you is that, back when he acted like covid isn't a big deal, it wasn't because he was lying; rather its because he honestly thought it wasn't a big deal. He is just the type of person who doesn't change his -- honest -- opinion easily. But once it changes then he is willing to be open about it.
b) A person with bad intentions would protect themselves while endangering others. But, as we saw, Trump didn't protect himself either. So it wasn't bad intentions, it was sincere mistake.
Well yes you can ask "how could he not know if many people were confronting him about it". Well here is how: he sincerely believed he was right and everyone else was wrong. Sure, this belief is stupid, but stupid doesn't mean evil. Imagine the situation that you are the only adult in a room filled with 5 year olds. Would you say, in this situation, that you are right and everyone in the room is wrong? I hope so. Well, the only problem is that senior medical specialists are not 5 year olds. But maybe Trump perceives them to be. And if he perceives something different from what it is, it's not his fault. You can't "choose" how you perceive something. If you look at a sky and see it red rather than blue it's not your choice either.
Like I said, him testing positive also said a bunch of bad things about him too (such as how wrong he was when he was reckless). But it all was said before. It is important to acknowledge some good things.
Dude, have you ever heard of Bob Woodward? And the recent news?
If your gonna talk about this you have to address the recent headline news about how Trump revealed to Woodward that he DID know all about how contagious Covid is while at the same time playing it down.
Second: basically you're saying "Trump is not evil. Just an innocent and honest incompetent idiot". Even if you hadnt failed to prove that point why even try to make that point? Would you vote for him either way?
It would be different if Trump had appeared to do things in less hare brained way, and more consistent way.
If Trump from the get go had say "we are not going to do what every other advanced country(but one) is doing, and we are going to do what just ONE other advanced country is doing. We are going to follow the Swedish model - and go for herd immunity by letting the virus rip through the population, and dispense with social distancing. And I, your commander and chief, will put myself at risk of catching it myself to set an example. Then that would make sense and I would agree with you. But Trump never did that. The jury is still out on whether or not the Swedish approach was right (in short run it was close to disasterous, but in the long run it still might prove to better). But even if that were the wrong approach at least Trump could have been wrong in a respectable and honest way when this started. But he would lie, and also send double messages to the public.
03 Oct 2020, 4:02 am
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03 Oct 2020, 10:33 pm
seaweed wrote:
nah, trump knew it was a serious threat back in february but didn't want to "spread panic" by being honest about it, even though he loves spreading panic about anything that can benefit his platform.
it's essential to his campaign that he dismisses covid-19 and so that's what he's done, hoping to make it through the election. almost did.
it's certainly not innocent ignorance.
it's essential to his campaign that he dismisses covid-19 and so that's what he's done, hoping to make it through the election. almost did.
it's certainly not innocent ignorance.
This seems to be the obvious conclusion ...
03 Oct 2020, 11:20 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
seaweed wrote:
nah, trump knew it was a serious threat back in february but didn't want to "spread panic" by being honest about it, even though he loves spreading panic about anything that can benefit his platform.
it's essential to his campaign that he dismisses covid-19 and so that's what he's done, hoping to make it through the election. almost did.
it's certainly not innocent ignorance.
it's essential to his campaign that he dismisses covid-19 and so that's what he's done, hoping to make it through the election. almost did.
it's certainly not innocent ignorance.
This seems to be the obvious conclusion ...
Since he got HIMSELF infected, its no longer that obvious. After all -- in this particular regard -- he isn't treating others "any worse" than he is treating himself.
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04 Oct 2020, 3:14 pm
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04 Oct 2020, 3:28 pm
04 Oct 2020, 3:28 pm
QFT wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
He spent months lying to people that it will just "go away".
A lie is not just false information. A lie is when you know it is false. In his case, he didn't know -- as evident from his putting himself in danger as well...
... just like millions of invertebrate smokers who "didn't know" that smoking would be addictive and likely to shorten their lives through cancer, COPD, and emphysema. After all of the warnings they've received from medical experts (including the U.S. Surgeon General) and labels on tobacco products, there is no way they could not know.He knew.
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