Are there any post coup attempt EX-trump supporters here?

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I luv you too.

You may recall that I was very supportive of you, back then.

Perhaps your level of self awareness is not as high as you think it is. Now you know how you are perceived by others.

Like I said, your posts from the previous couple pages or so are examples. I’m not going to quote them all and explain them to you word by word. Go re-read them and see why myself, Fnord, and the mods perceive that from them.

As I've said elsewhere, I think that for a lot of people on this sub-forum, supporting left-wing politics is really, subconsciously just a way of getting back at the meanies who used to steal your lunch back at high school.

The attack on civil liberties that you first saw with the Patriot Act 20 years ago is now going to be ramped up even further with the hysteria about "domestic terrorists", and you people are going to cheer it on just because it's presented in terms of protecting "marginalized people" from "haters". This thread makes that clear. If anarcho-tyranny ever negatively impacts your lives, it'll be hard to say you didn't ask for it.

Well, I could just be a partisan and irrational person who lacks critical thinking skills, but I find that people who have a constant need to brag about their non-partisanship, rationality and critical thinking skills are often quite partisan and irrational persons who lacks critical thinking skills.

And now, back to the regularly scheduled "but what about BLM/Antifa".

I think this is a legitimate concern. While domestic terrorism is no triviality, current legislation should be largely adequate for dealing with the threat. Politicians often have very poor understanding of technological issues in particular and history shows us that they often pass laws with little understanding of their implications.

There is often a failure among lawmakers to consider issues holistically. It would be a crying shame if, perhaps less than a year after the George Floyd protests, anti-terror legislation is passed which grants sweeping new powers to law enforcement - it doesn’t take a genius to guess who the likely victims will be.

Perhaps the victims will be the white supremacists who have infiltrated law enforcement agencies all over America & then advanced to becoming domestic terrorists and their sympathizers? You mean those people?

That's a lovely backhanded acknowledgement that childhood bullies tend to graduate into bullying through right wing politics in adulthood.

This is one of those strange, strange narratives from the right that I just don't get where it came from exactly. I'm pretty sure you don't need to be bullied to grow up to be left of center, and you can get bullied as a kid and end up being conservative. Granted, those who get bullied could be queer or belong to some other out-group that the right loves to rationalize treating as inferior. Are we suggesting that the Right is more bully-friendly? Seems more than a little plausible to me. Not being bullied would also lead one to be less empathetic towards those the Right routinely bullies, so there is also that. But this is their narrative, not mine.
How is me being a leftist getting back at my hypothetical childhood bullies anyway? I don't care what they think about the causes I support. If they are somehow opposed to them then....??? I don't care??

As long as we're throwing out these ideas:
Could it be that some people then gravitate to far-right-wing politics to get back at the feminists they blame for their inability to get laid in high school? Or the teachers who got them into trouble for calling someone a 'f*ggot'?

Yep. "Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it".

I don’t care what anybody says.

Many of the people who invaded the Capitol were pathological. There was urine and feces left in the corridors.

I am on the side of people who to heal......rather than be reactionary.

Ironic, given how well the current situation embodies exactly those principles, but on the right wing of U.S. politics.

At least the slightly-less-right-wing Democrats (news flash, they're NOT left wing) haven't actually fallen into their own irony trap yet.

I'm still trying to work out how "anarcho-tyranny" is only a bad thing when it applies to white guys, but it's been fine for decades when applied to everyone else. Meaning it's not actually a matter of left / right politics per se, but of elitism, exploitation and control of the social hierarchy. That in turn means any finger pointing at the not-very-left-wing from the definitely-more-right-wing is nothing more than farcical "who, me?" play acting. Plenty of exploitation going on by Republicans; the only reason they dislike regulation and taxation is because it limits their abilities to extract more. If you think this is about "freedom" that's very naive. Freedom from what? Conscience, morality, common decency, truth, social obligation, moderation? The only difference between the two main parties is the degree to which they extract wealth, and the sweetners they offer to make it acceptable.

The State generally acts as a limiting force on greed. It isn't particularly effective but I can guaranteed an unfettered economic free-for-all would be worse, unless you're already one of America's wealthiest 10%. Because all that would do is give those already in control further opportunities to rig the deck in their own favour. That's the fundamental problem with capitalism, there's very little to prevent ever-more extreme exploitation of the many by the few. I'm not a communist for saying that, I still believe capitalism has more going for it than communism precisely because it is a system based around human greed, which is pretty much universal, rather than selfless brotherliness with our neighbours, which clearly isn't. But to be effective for all, it needs limiting. Without boundaries it stops working for everyone and starts only working for those right at the top. That's just how it is. Anyone thinking a libertarian Government would benefit the masses is only correct if the freedoms granted are far more liberal at the bottom of the tree than at the top. Otherwise you're just letting the lions roam free when you're a gazelle.

Both Ben Shapiro and Stephen Crowder grew up being viciously bullied as children.

Umm not really, people on the right of politics want people with autism (whom they usually describe with the r-word) to "suck it up" and not burden other people. Feel free to embrace them though.

No. Your insults of people only having left leaning political beliefs for being bullied sounds like a bit of a bullying statement in and of itself. Rude.

I live in a functioning democracy and appreciate our cohesive social values that allow for a decent public education system & healthcare for everyone. It’s a very racially & culturally diverse place, so I’m all for diversity over homogenous white supremacy any day all day long. I’m also gay and have no place for religious extremism or homophobia in my politics. I know that science is real. I value helping people over corporate greed. I’m technically “disabled,” and have differently disabled friends and family - which right wingers do not respect. Etc.

Patriot act was republicans doing. So if anyone’s eyeballing your freedoms and seeking to reduce them, perhaps it’s republicans you should be pointing fingers at - they created the surveillance state and love giving their military industrial complex friends blank cheques.

Seems there are enough laws on the books already against violently overthrowing America’s democracy for the incoming Biden administration to jail everyone involved. Shouldn’t even need to write any new ones, really. Besides, with jailing all these morons and their accomplices in government, law enforcement, and the military, impeaching trump for the second time, getting a handle on the coronavirus pandemic, keeping Russia & China at bay, restoring the American economy.. and so on and so on, I think the incoming administration is going to be a wee bit busy for a while. Tons of republican mess to clean up before they can even think about doing anything new.

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Are you saying that every person sees me the same way?
Are you saying that everyone is engaging in groupthink?
I don't see any evidence of that.



Presumably, you aren't "going to quote them" because there isn't anything for you to quote.
I gave you, and Fnord, a chance to "put your money where your mouth is", but you both declined to ram home your opportunity to put me in my place.

You do realise how weak you position sounds here, right?
If you had 'evidence', you should have no qualms in presenting it.
You could validate your argument with substance.

Perhaps now that I have called you out, again, you will be motivated into doing the 'hard yakka', rather than engage in mere verbal accusations.
It shouldn't be too difficult, since you allegedly have pages of material to use.