Pride is not the deadliest sin.
The general consensus is that the deadliest sin is pride, but I disagree. This isn't really from a religious perspective despite my use of the word sin; pride seems to be generally maligned across the board in culture. I can see why, as it's associated with many negative behaviors but I'd argue it's also associated with many positive behaviors. Pride can be the motivator people need to pull themselves out of bad situations. Pride can motivate somebody to make positive changes in the world because they want to live up to something. There's a reason gay pride is a thing, because pride can lift people who have historically been oppressed. Pride can be healthy. I think part of the reason pride historically has been a maligned trait is that pride in oneself can often result in people questioning the established power *cough* catholic church *cough* because they believe they have ideas better than the authority. So they just dissed the trait entirely to disincentive dissent.
Another thing to consider is that people who are prideful typically want the rest of society to be as proud of them as they are of themselves, which promotes pro-social actions. Typically the people who commit the worst atrocities are far more ashamed of themselves than they are proud. These people may project false pride to hide that but the truth shines through in their actions. For instance mass shooters often end their own lives and exhibited insecurity and jealousy, hardly symptomatic of true pride in oneself.
I'd say that more destructive than pride is insecurity, envy, lust, and greed. The sociopath and psychopath, often considered the most destructive personalities, don't even have the capacity to even feel pride for themselves, they simply don't value anything except their id.
So, what do you think? Is pride the deadliest sin, or should that be re-evaluated?
I think biblical pride is more in line with narcissism than it is a healthy self esteem.
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/28/1/s_830001
oh yes, this, but I don't think my ideas are better than the elites ideas, they just serve a different agenda.
To go against the accepted norms these days, esp in science, tends to make one appear narcissistic.
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Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/28/1/s_830001
I think even narcissism can be healthy, but when it goes to extremes it can make people hurt others. Psychology seems to have conflicting ideas about narcissism; some people think it's false and just a front to hide internal insecurity and shame, others think it's genuine unreasonable and unchecked self love that isn't covering anything up. It's probably more case to case but I'd argue the former is probably a lot more dangerous than the latter though both can certainly be dangerous.
oh yes, this, but I don't think my ideas are better than the elites ideas, they just serve a different agenda.
What agenda would you say they serve
specifically consciousness uploading,
I call them doofus bots
The dark personality trait known as Machiavellianism predicts support for mind upload technology
https://www.psypost.org/2021/06/the-dar ... logy-61025
While I am not fully anti-doofus bot, I would never let myself be uploaded into God knows what these Machiavellians have in store for me, and I would warn anybody considering it.
I call them doofus bots
The dark personality trait known as Machiavellianism predicts support for mind upload technology
https://www.psypost.org/2021/06/the-dar ... logy-61025
While I am not fully anti-doofus bot, I would never let myself be uploaded into God knows what these Machiavellians have in store for me, and I would warn anybody considering it.
Unfortunately for society, I don't think that's the only thing in society that predicts dark triad traits. I'd say positions of power do in general. Influencers, celebs, CEOs, especially politicians also tend to have these traits.
missed one
New study suggests that narcissistic business students thrive under narcissistic professors, while less narcissistic students suffer, to the detriment of all.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... -198226469
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You're approaching it from a very secular mindset. Pride is deadly because of what it does to your soul, not any negative effects on your temporal life. Pride is one of the things that can easily lead you to the unforgivable sin, embracing the material world over the spiritual one.
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My understanding of pride being seen as the worst in the biblical sense is an expectation of being humble to god, that people have to be told that they can't know better than what the holy book does. And ironically super religious people get really prideful over how godly they are.
Sin is a super subjective thing anyway, what people might consider one can vary a lot by culture and person to person.
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Humans Through Their 'Advanced Cultures' Tend to Have 'Clothed Pride'
On the Other Hand, For Example, Lions Have Naked Pride; Tried And True
Instinctually, Intuitively, And Through Life Practices of Survive And Thrive
They Do The Do With No Bowing or Kneeling And They Surely Never Worry
About 'Homophobic Comments' As they Gracefully Traverse The Savanah As
Every Calorie Now Saved
in Graceful Balance
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Such An Example of Clothed
Pride Without All HIS Accessories
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Naked and Pudgy And Without An Ounce
of Empathy in Love To Give to Anyone Else
With True Compassion Who Is He More Than
Just 'A Tub of Lard', A Burger At the Fast Food Restaurants of Life...
True Clothed Pride Will Become Lost From Nature All That is Ignorance
Real in Existence At Core
Freedom of Enough
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Complete
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Savannah Or Perhaps
'The Sheep' When They
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For 'Wolves' to Easy Pick and Eat...
Yawn, Religion is A Political Device
Used to Keep 'Sheep' in Line; True Keep
'em Humble And Bowing; Keep the Voices
Low Never Roar from the Back Pew, 'WEAR A MASK!' IN MASS
GOD YES WHEN IT COMES TO REAL LOVE GARMENTS IN A FRIGGING
DEADLY PANDEMIC! True i have Pride Enough God Yes; Yes, Self-Love
Enough, And Love For the Rest of 'The Congregation'. i am No 'Timid Soul',
i have no Fear to Stand Tall And Make the Point Clear i AM NO SHEEP;
Goat,
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God is Love too; Yet True God is Also The Lion Who Eats Cubs too; So True That Old Psalm
of Dashing
The Child's
Head of the Opposing
Tribe Against A Stone
Is Life in the 'Big Lion Human Cities' too...
Out of Balance of Abundance Where Love Rules...
Lionesses Cooperate Most For Survival; Lions Just Bring
Home the Meat
And Reproduce....
Both
Serve
A Purpose
For Basic Survival of Course...
i Do Not Kneel At Church; i Do Not go to
Confession; And i Go Up to Get the Little 'Peace
of Bread' Just for a Little Exercise in Church and
Sure to Get closer to Sing With Spirit to the Congregation
Up Front... Yawn... My Voice Is Powerful Enough to Be Heard
From The Back Row Anyway Hehe... i Never Give Any Money at
The Offering; in Fact, i have Empty Pockets; i never Give Money to Anyone;
i Gave/Give it all to my Wife... Just An Inconvenience That Takes My Mind off of Giving
Soul to the World
In Poetry Dance
And Song Free
Now
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Riches
Are of Soul
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of Love True The Only Temple
of God i Own; Nothing Is Our Own
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Than What Breathes Within Giving of Soul Heart Spirit is
Enough if not
The Rest of
It Already
Went to Hell With me...
Does This Temple of God
Kneel and Bend to Story Book
Characters; no, i am No Myth. i am
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And As Far as Science Goes and Uploading Human
Consciousness For So Called Pride And Clothed Narcissism
An Oxymoron At Most As Science Has No Clue How Consciousness
Actually Works Far From Ever Understanding An Ever Changing Feeling Sensing Reality Now
And Also Even As Frigging Science Shows, Scientists Are More Often 'Rich' in Systemizing
Skills And Poor of What Comprises Social Empathic Artistic Human Intelligences Of Spirit HeART And Soul
YES IN REAL FLESH AND BLOOD;
True, If Ya Wanna
Upload Science,
Use A Text Book;
If Ya Wanna Upload Soul
WRITE A MoonLight Sonata...
Jesus F in Christ it's Already Been
Done For Real in So Many Forms of
Art Where Soul of the Creator Still Breathes in Art...
Yet It's True Moonlight Sonata's Already Been Done FOR REAL SO
i'll Do 'Frednata' Just my "SonG oF mY SoUL" Standing Tall Alone allone...
Birthing
New
Ever
Changing
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And Steps of Dance
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Antiquated the New Bible
of Human Soul of the Entire World
Has Already Been Uploaded And Is Continually
Uploading Now if Ya Wanna See it i Suggest A Google Search FOR ALLNoW...
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Energy And Focus For Chi
Flow Every Step ACross the
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More often too...
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'Your' Own
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Breath; Someone Else's
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Of the Old Bible; Yet the Reality is it is
A 'Rorschach Test' Every Part of
Reality Is We Co-Create God Now
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In A Millstone At The Bottom of an Ocean Never Changing
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IS A 'Clothed Wizard of Oz';
Then They Or
Others Strip
Those
Clothes
Off and Return
to Nature God Freer....
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Elegant Solution Even
Provided Still in the Older Newer
Gospel of Thomas Verse 37; Just take 'IT' 'ALL' off
Set Yourself Free Standing Naked And Tall as God Is Low
Valley Mountain TaLL... Clue, Hint: ALL
"Naked God Pride Breathing All Now"(6)
See What i Just Did; All Those Words to Come Up With '6 Perfect Words'
And This iS How 'God' Continues to Evolve All Of US Now 'The Story'
Never Ending
Always
Starting
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ANoTHeR 'IBis'"(3)
NoW Naked God Pride Breathing All Now
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