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01 Sep 2007, 12:17 am

greenblue wrote:
But some of them love the sinner, but hate the sin.


If the sin is a part of ones being - just like say... skin color - it's the same thing as hating the sinner.

So basically anyone who says "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is still saying, "I hate gays."



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01 Sep 2007, 7:12 pm

Marriage should just be made a non-civil
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01 Sep 2007, 11:36 pm

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Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?



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01 Sep 2007, 11:40 pm

Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?
Yes. It could be made a subject of a referendum though.


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02 Sep 2007, 8:43 am

Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?



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02 Sep 2007, 9:30 am

Sopho wrote:
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Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?

There is nothing to stop you showing up to a wedding and saying "I object"...



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02 Sep 2007, 9:41 am

Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?

There is nothing to stop you showing up to a wedding and saying "I object"...

Obviously.
But I can't legally stop all men marrying women etc. It has nothing to do with me. Therefore men shouldn't be prevented from marrying other men legally either.



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02 Sep 2007, 11:06 am

Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?

There is nothing to stop you showing up to a wedding and saying "I object"...

Obviously.
But I can't legally stop all men marrying women etc. It has nothing to do with me. Therefore men shouldn't be prevented from marrying other men legally either.

I cant be bothered to get back into the argument, only to say that I disagree with you there.



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02 Sep 2007, 11:34 am

JoeCapricorn wrote:
greenblue wrote:
But some of them love the sinner, but hate the sin.


If the sin is a part of ones being - just like say... skin color - it's the same thing as hating the sinner.

So basically anyone who says "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is still saying, "I hate gays."


The sin is sex with their own sex, not actually being gay.


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02 Sep 2007, 12:03 pm

Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?

There is nothing to stop you showing up to a wedding and saying "I object"...

Obviously.
But I can't legally stop all men marrying women etc. It has nothing to do with me. Therefore men shouldn't be prevented from marrying other men legally either.

I cant be bothered to get back into the argument, only to say that I disagree with you there.

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02 Sep 2007, 1:31 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
JoeCapricorn wrote:
greenblue wrote:
But some of them love the sinner, but hate the sin.


If the sin is a part of ones being - just like say... skin color - it's the same thing as hating the sinner.

So basically anyone who says "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is still saying, "I hate gays."


The sin is sex with their own sex, not actually being gay.


In that case, hating the act of homosexual sex isn't the same as hating the sexual orientation, (the latter of which is like hating someone's skin color)...

But with all of these hate groups trying to change sexual orientation (The ex-gay movement...) it seems to hint that hating the sin of homosexuality entails hating the feelings of homosexuality, not the act of homosexual sex.

Also,
There are a lot of homosexual couples that wait until marriage to engage in sex - not legal marriage, religious marriage, as many do get married in churches, but the government will hatefully discriminate against them by not denying them a marriage license. Does that mean they are no longer sinning because they waited until marriage to engage in sex?



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02 Sep 2007, 2:04 pm

JoeCapricorn wrote:
greenblue wrote:
But some of them love the sinner, but hate the sin.


If the sin is a part of ones being - just like say... skin color - it's the same thing as hating the sinner.

So basically anyone who says "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is still saying, "I hate gays."

Not necessarily hate, but is not love either, and they are being complete idiots (blind), although some of them are actually hateful, this hate the sin and love the sinner thing is complete BS anyway.


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02 Sep 2007, 3:23 pm

Jeez, why do people always have to argue over this? Can't we just be happy for the married couple?

I mean, life is too short to be lived with pointless restrictions. If someone could be happy by marrying a person of the same sex, then by all means let them. It doesn't hurt them or anyone else, and it makes them happy. That's pretty much what the whole "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" thing is all about.



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02 Sep 2007, 3:43 pm

All marriage is gay.



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02 Sep 2007, 3:43 pm

Sopho wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?


Well many world cultures still consider homosexuality taboo, so....they're being forced to accept homosexuality.



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02 Sep 2007, 4:08 pm

Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Gay marriage should be legalised everywhere.


Why should people of every nation be forced to accept something that they don't necessarily want to?

Because they're not being forced to accept anything. I don't have to like every single marriage that takes place in the UK, but I legally have to stay the hell out of it because it has nothing to do with me. Why should anyone have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do, just because they don't like it?


Well many world cultures still consider homosexuality taboo, so....they're being forced to accept homosexuality.

In that case on these cultures, I suppose men are also being 'forced' to accept the fact of women getting education, having jobs and rights, etc. as well as children's rights, etc.


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