Iowa sees its first legal gay marriage! Woohoo!

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Poor them. Being forced to accept equality... Life is so hard for some people.

Must be different in England. Trying to disrupt
a private ceremony here can get one thrown in
jail. But, this is all tangential to the point, which is
that the law prohibits certain rights to a significant
subsection of people.

I’m a bit reluctant to get involved in this subject again, but I disagree with your assertion that “they’re not being forced to accept anything”

Now, you probably think people like me are too boneheaded to understand your point of view, but as far as I can see it’s not that complicated, and it goes something like this – “people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they’re not harming anyone else”.

But please, try to understand that human life is too complicated to be organised according to a single supposedly infallible rule such as this. The people in a society cannot fail to be affected by the laws and customs of that society.

After your post stating that gay marriage should be legalised everywhere, I was going to post about how you, who frequently complain about people imposing their beliefs on others, could not see that you wanted to do the same to the entire world.

But now I think I understand why you don’t see it. (And I think there are several other people who fall into the same trap – can I call them “liberals”?) It’s because, to the liberal mind, it is only other people that have “beliefs”, whereas the liberal has pure reason. Or, to put it another way, non-liberals embody “judgementalism”, whereas liberals embody “non-judgementalism”.

Again, please try to understand – in the sense that you have ideas about what is good for society, you are just like anyone else, even me. And as far as I’m concerned, much as I dislike several things I hear about cultural practises in other countries (e.g., halal slaughter or the caste system), as long as they are in other countries (where they – mostly (mostly) - really don’t affect me) then it’s none of my business.

So, to cut a long story short – whether or not gay marriage is allowed in the UK is my business, as a British citizen. Whether or not gay marriage is allowed in Saudi Arabia, Botswana or Papua New Guinea is pretty much not my business, and I don’t think it’s your business either. You won’t agree, but there you are.

So accepting overs have the right to express themselves is too hard for you?

Also, you do not have the right to not be offended, that is the price of free speech and freedom of expression. If you don't like it move to North Korea or Iran.

he has the right to be offended if ideas disagree with his own but with freedom of speech he has the right to try and counter it....now if he completely fails...well...that's how the free market of ideas is supposed to work...the right ideas should hold more weight and win out in the end of the debate.


supposedly.

You have some point to a certain degree, in which is not that simple to the whole society to have a radical change like this I suppose, but it is changing, I hope it is in a slow pace. But I don't agree with your whole argument, you were ignoring the fact about what Martin Luther King did in the sixties, as an example, he wanted equality, the same with women organizing, wanting to have the same rights, and that changed. If those things changed in history, then everything that concerns to gay/bi/transgendered people should change too. That is about equal rights, after all.


Actually there is a big difference, one is affecting the lives of certain people in a negative way which is clearly based on dogmas rather than having a more solid and objective view. This, I believe, one do more justice than the other. It had worked before, the changes you see in history, otherwise we would still be living the same way early christianity did years ago, but the world has shomehow evolved from some things.


I believe she stated before that she speaks for the entire gay community, not just for herself, it is her bussines because she feels offended by this. Not sure if you can really see that. It is actually not my business either to be here replying to this post in that case, but I am doing it, I don't know, maybe because I sympathize a little?

Actually yes, it would be hard for them to accept such a large change to their cultural structure so suddenly. How would you feel about radical Islam being imposed in the UK? Not happy, I bet.

I would blow up all their mosques if they did that. And if I had a nuke, bye bye Mecca and Medina.

Or radical Christianity being imposed in America?

If I were to pick the lesser of two evils... I'd go with radical Islam.

Ummm, am I the only person who remembers when it was okay to enslave blacks? Some of you are making an argument for making that possible again. Not everyone thinks blacks are equal or even human. So why should they have others' beliefs- that blacks are human and should not be slaves- imposed on them?

Exactly, I totally agree with you, that is what Sopho's sarcasm was about, it's very easy to see.

You have no idea, do you. Islam would be the equilvalent to going back to the good old Middle Ages.

Why complain when that gives us polygamy?

well, just think of what would be considered as sodomy. Not good.

Morning Star approves.