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08 Sep 2007, 6:02 pm

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So I take it your all in support of privatizing the Social Security system with no limits on how people can invest that money?

Oh, I am for it.


I'm not necessary against the idea either. But the reality your saying people should be completely responsible for their own retirement funding.

So my next question is ,when a large number of these people squander their savings should the tax payers bail them out?

If you say no then I understand you want a near libertarian world.
But if you answer yes your making a case the government does need to make choices for people or deal with the results of not making those decision for people at a later date.



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08 Sep 2007, 6:10 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
I'm not necessary against the idea either. But the reality your saying people should be completely responsible for their own retirement funding.
Yes I am.
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So my next question is ,when a large number of these people squander their savings should the tax payers bail them out?
The government should not bail them out, whether or not people who pay taxes want to is up to them, bailing them out does send a bad message on financial responsibility to them and also imposes costs on people who did nothing to deserve them.
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If you say no then I understand you want a near libertarian world.
But if you answer yes your making a case the government does need to make choices for people or deal with the results of not making those decision for people at a later date.

I say no, I do want a more libertarian world.



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08 Sep 2007, 6:32 pm

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or are ret*ds around the world being screwed over by bad loans, car deals, and renters' agreements?

Your tone, as well as views, deserve little respect.

a rose by any other name is still a rose. mentally handicapped or ret*d...they still have a mental problem and it's different than just someone who makes poor life decisions. and i don't mean it in a disrespectful manner but rather as it's a lot shorter than writing out mentally handicapped. it's not like i'm saying kill the ret*ds or quit acting like a ret*d. and i do mean it in the legal sense of ret*d.
and from what i've seen in this thread, you deserve no respect.

You sound ret*d; in the legal sense.



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08 Sep 2007, 6:37 pm

rideforever wrote:
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or are ret*ds around the world being screwed over by bad loans, car deals, and renters' agreements?

Your tone, as well as views, deserve little respect.

a rose by any other name is still a rose. mentally handicapped or ret*d...they still have a mental problem and it's different than just someone who makes poor life decisions. and i don't mean it in a disrespectful manner but rather as it's a lot shorter than writing out mentally handicapped. it's not like i'm saying kill the ret*ds or quit acting like a ret*d. and i do mean it in the legal sense of ret*d.
and from what i've seen in this thread, you deserve no respect.

You sound ret*d; in the legal sense.


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08 Sep 2007, 7:54 pm

I don't think prostetution should be allowed. sex is sacred and should only be done within a Christian marriage.



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08 Sep 2007, 7:57 pm

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I don't think prostetution should be allowed. sex is sacred and should only be done within a Christian marriage.




that's quaint.


way to give a big f you to every jew, hindu, agnostic, atheist, muslim, wiccan....well you get the point...there's lot of other myths in the world other than the christian myth.


it's very open-minded of you to close off rights to everyone else.



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08 Sep 2007, 7:59 pm

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I don't think prostetution should be allowed. sex is sacred and should only be done within a Christian marriage.

Ok, I have no problem with you believing your last 2 premises but please bring them back to your first statement. Your belief in the immorality of X or the morality of Y does not mean you must force others to not do X or to do Y. You could have also stated that prayer is sacred and should be done daily, but I don't think you would promote a mandatory daily prayer law, however, if you would I would be willing to argue over that as well.



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08 Sep 2007, 8:13 pm

I think people should have the right to have sex. But I think it should be discuraged by the government and people should wait till marraige to have intercourse with their wife or husband.
There are a lot of dangers with sex, like Aids and babies.



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08 Sep 2007, 8:15 pm

carrotty wrote:
I think people should have the right to have sex. But I think it should be discuraged by the government and people should wait till marraige to have intercourse with their wife or husband.
There are a lot of dangers with sex, like Aids and babies.


All easily solved by making sure they have easy condom access and know how to use them.

Condoms are just about the only thing I would want the government subsidize so there would always be enough of them and cheap enough so anyone can get them.


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08 Sep 2007, 8:19 pm

I don't think condoms are in God's plan for the human race. We wre put here to reproduce and using contracepsion is a sin against God.



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08 Sep 2007, 8:23 pm

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I don't think condoms are in God's plan for the human race. We wre put here to reproduce and using contracepsion is a sin against God.


Only in your belief system, you have no right to tell people they cannot use a condom.


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08 Sep 2007, 8:24 pm

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I don't think condoms are in God's plan for the human race. We wre put here to reproduce and using contracepsion is a sin against God.


Only in your belief system, you have no right to tell people they cannot use a condom.

But it isn't me whoes saying this. It is the word of God. Are you religios?



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08 Sep 2007, 8:26 pm

carrotty wrote:
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I don't think condoms are in God's plan for the human race. We wre put here to reproduce and using contracepsion is a sin against God.


Only in your belief system, you have no right to tell people they cannot use a condom.

But it isn't me whoes saying this. It is the word of God. Are you religios?


Apatheist, the question of the existence of god/gods is fundamentally pointless in the Apatheistic belief system.

And it's only your belief system that says that, there are other sects of your religion that have a different view on this. And none of you seem to be able to present empirical evidence your the right sect.


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08 Sep 2007, 10:48 pm

If they legalized prostitution, not only would it help stop human trafficking by 1. making them stand out, and 2. offering their clientele a consentive means to sexual health, it would also reduce sexual assault crimes.
Sex is a **proven** human need to mental and emotional growth, the European Union and the United Nations back this as a basic human right for all individuals. It is what we are programmed to do in order to pass on our seeds. I would expect many of the guys here to understand that this is the only way many guys can get laid (and a few girls, but mostly guys since we're the ones that must do all the courting in traditional relationships).
In Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Netherlands, they've legalized state funded prostitution in the disability advocacy package to fight the stigma of sexuality and disability. As a matter of fact, my contacts in the disability rights movement have confirmed that sexual rights are going to play a major role on the disability rights agenda.
World leaders met in Hong Kong to draft legislation for international sexual rights. On hand was the sexological research information. An organization was established in the UN called the World Sex Health Association, who recently changed their name to World Association of Sexology:

http://www.worldsexology.org/index.asp

Much of this research and information was blocked passage into the mainstream US carriculum by the religious right wing, although neither the liberals nor the conservatives are too high on disability rights. Liberals are advocating for the sexual rights of other groups such as women, gays, but disabled people are excluded because apparently they like much of society hold the disabled to stigma and isolation, and the assumption that disability is justified discrimination.

Other nations that are big on sexual rights of the disabled include various nations in South America, South Africa, and asia. As a matter of fact there is a significant number more nations that are pro sexual rights and pro disability than there are against it.

That is to acknowledge the history of oppression of the disabled, from the eugenics era and even long before that, we've faced systematic exclusion, forced sterilization, institutionalization, even to this day the disabled are the one group that has been scorned, degrated, and humiliated on a societal wide basis and it's generally considered "ok" to hold us to stereotypes or at best treat us like charity cases instead of regular human beings. Pity is an indirect form of discrimination here.

Although I don't see AS as a disability.... But society does, so we're lumped in with the disabled. This would technically make the disabled our cousins.



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08 Sep 2007, 10:50 pm

Other nations that are big on sexual rights of the disabled include various nations in South America, South Africa, and asia. As a matter of fact there is a significant number more nations that are pro sexual rights and pro disability than there are against it.



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08 Sep 2007, 10:59 pm

That is to acknowledge the history of oppression of the disabled, from the eugenics era and even long before that, we've faced systematic exclusion, forced sterilization, institutionalization, even to this day the disabled are the one group that has been scorned, degrated, and humiliated on a societal wide basis and it's generally considered "ok" to hold us to stereotypes or at best treat us like charity cases instead of regular human beings. Pity is an indirect form of discrimination here.