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24 Jan 2022, 9:42 pm

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Is requiring your employees to wash their hands also a rape-like violation of their bodily freedoms?
Serious question - where are the limit lines?


That's a very good question magz, but we can safely say that their *is* a line.
Where that line is, is the very good question.

Just as your boss can require you to wear a uniform at work, but if the boss demanded all the employees come
in naked to work, then the boss would be censured.

So we have established their is a line, uniforms are on one side of that line, but making people work for you naked, is on the other side of that line.

In the same way, I can safely say that, for me, mandating I wash my hands is on one side of the line.
But forcing people to take medication or have surgery to keep their job, is on the other side of that line.
Not just a little bit over the line, way waaaay over the line.


so... there are jobs where you probably will get fired if you keep your clothes on. Nude modelling, porn, etc.
I had to get a chest xray at one job once. I'm not a fan of radiation, but it was part of the mandatory health checkup.

I live in Germany. There are mandatory vaccines here, there's nothing special about that - I don't fully understand the current outrage and Nazi-comparisons at all about the vaccine becoming mandatory. that, in itself, is not new at all.


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24 Jan 2022, 9:54 pm

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I think we need to impose fines or possible jail time for those who refuse to vax.


Your face when the established precedent is used by the GOP to force you to do something you don't want to:

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24 Jan 2022, 9:59 pm

The Nazi comparisons are stupid, as they almost always are, but some of the rhetoric regarding people who don't want this particular vaccine is horrifying.

Then there's this:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... vaccinated

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The survey of 1,016 U.S. Likely Voters was conducted on January 5, 2022 by the Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

The survey found that 75% of likely Democratic voters – but only 21% of Republicans and 38% of unaffiliated voters – have a favorable opinion of Dr. Fauci. Among other findings of the survey:

– Fifty-eight percent (58%) of voters would oppose a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine. However, 55% of Democratic voters would support such a proposal, compared to just 19% of Republicans and 25% of unaffiliated voters.

– Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a proposal is opposed by 61% of all likely voters, including 79% of Republicans and 71% of unaffiliated voters.

– Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications. Only 27% of all voters – including just 14% of Republicans and 18% of unaffiliated voters – favor criminal punishment of vaccine critics.

– Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a policy would be opposed by a strong majority (71%) of all voters, with 78% of Republicans and 64% of unaffiliated voters saying they would Strongly Oppose putting the unvaccinated in “designated facilities.”

– While about two-thirds (66%) of likely voters would be against governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others, 47% of Democrats favor a government tracking program for those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine.

How far are Democrats willing to go in punishing the unvaccinated? Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine. That’s much more than twice the level of support in the rest of the electorate – seven percent (7%) of Republicans and 11% of unaffiliated voters – for such a policy.


I'm not saying this sort of thing is the only reason I insist on keeping an arsenal of firearms handy, but it sure plays a role.


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27 Jan 2022, 5:54 pm

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What about seat belt laws and requiring children to ride in car seats?

What about requiring people to wear clothes in public? It's all so idiotically arbitrary. People also obsess about their own freedom while not ever thinking about the freedom of others to not have to suffer from their dumbassery. Disgusting moral toddlers. Also hate how right wing Americans boast about being the most freeist place in the world when people aren't even allowed to drink in public. As a percentage of total population, the US also has more people locked up than China. Our criminal justice system is more draconianly punitive than Turkey's.



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27 Jan 2022, 6:14 pm

I saw a funny screen shot posted on Reddit where a man was mad when a store employer was telling the shoppers what checkout to go to. He compared this to Nazis organizing the Jews upon arrival at Concentration camp.

It's so ridiculous I wonder if these arguments are posted by trolls. Can anyone by this stupid?


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29 Jan 2022, 12:16 am

shlaifu wrote:
SpiceWolf wrote:
magz wrote:
Is requiring your employees to wash their hands also a rape-like violation of their bodily freedoms?
Serious question - where are the limit lines?


That's a very good question magz, but we can safely say that their *is* a line.
Where that line is, is the very good question.

Just as your boss can require you to wear a uniform at work, but if the boss demanded all the employees come
in naked to work, then the boss would be censured.

So we have established their is a line, uniforms are on one side of that line, but making people work for you naked, is on the other side of that line.

In the same way, I can safely say that, for me, mandating I wash my hands is on one side of the line.
But forcing people to take medication or have surgery to keep their job, is on the other side of that line.
Not just a little bit over the line, way waaaay over the line.


so... there are jobs where you probably will get fired if you keep your clothes on. Nude modelling, porn, etc.


It's not just sex workers. Imagine there was a very demanding job that required employees to be in perfect physical health (astronaut, for example). Would it be acceptable to demand them to take their clothes of for a full physical?


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29 Jan 2022, 12:23 am

There is always discrimination against sex work and I find it ironic because people say it exploits women but yet they want to punish women for doing it?

Sometimes women do it because they feel they dont have a choice, they need the extra money and since so many guys are horney, women take advantage of it because they can make money. Blaming sex work on women is misogyny.


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02 Feb 2022, 2:27 am

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The same people who were shouting "RESIST!!" during the Trump years are now demanding complete compliance with authoritarian government mandates.


Promoting the common good - which is a theme of the American constitution - is hardly compliance to authoritarian government mandates.


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02 Feb 2022, 2:30 am

shlaifu wrote:
SpiceWolf wrote:
magz wrote:
Is requiring your employees to wash their hands also a rape-like violation of their bodily freedoms?
Serious question - where are the limit lines?


That's a very good question magz, but we can safely say that their *is* a line.
Where that line is, is the very good question.

Just as your boss can require you to wear a uniform at work, but if the boss demanded all the employees come
in naked to work, then the boss would be censured.

So we have established their is a line, uniforms are on one side of that line, but making people work for you naked, is on the other side of that line.

In the same way, I can safely say that, for me, mandating I wash my hands is on one side of the line.
But forcing people to take medication or have surgery to keep their job, is on the other side of that line.
Not just a little bit over the line, way waaaay over the line.


so... there are jobs where you probably will get fired if you keep your clothes on. Nude modelling, porn, etc.
I had to get a chest xray at one job once. I'm not a fan of radiation, but it was part of the mandatory health checkup.

I live in Germany. There are mandatory vaccines here, there's nothing special about that - I don't fully understand the current outrage and Nazi-comparisons at all about the vaccine becoming mandatory. that, in itself, is not new at all.


That's because the Nazi comparisons is not just hyperbole, but hysteria reaching a degree of lunacy.


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02 Feb 2022, 2:49 pm

For the people who have had their lives saved from vaccination - this is wonderful news.

For the people who have gotten neurological damage or who have died ultimately from a tipping point of Myocarditis, or who have gotten Lupus or Guillian-Barre Syndrome or any other autoimmune condition from a bad vaccine - vaccinations basically look like tools of death to those people.



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02 Feb 2022, 7:34 pm

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For the people who have had their lives saved from vaccination - this is wonderful news.

For the people who have gotten neurological damage or who have died ultimately from a tipping point of Myocarditis, or who have gotten Lupus or Guillian-Barre Syndrome or any other autoimmune condition from a bad vaccine - vaccinations basically look like tools of death to those people.

Many more have been saved or have had the severity of their illness reduced due to the vaccine then have been injured. But in this zero sum game thinking guilty until proven innocent era unless vaccines are perfect preventing all illness and transmission they are considered a failure or a hoax or worse by enough people to make a difference.


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03 Feb 2022, 12:40 am

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For the people who have had their lives saved from vaccination - this is wonderful news.

For the people who have gotten neurological damage or who have died ultimately from a tipping point of Myocarditis, or who have gotten Lupus or Guillian-Barre Syndrome or any other autoimmune condition from a bad vaccine - vaccinations basically look like tools of death to those people.

Many more have been saved or have had the severity of their illness reduced due to the vaccine then have been injured. But in this zero sum game thinking guilty until proven innocent era unless vaccines are perfect preventing all illness and transmission they are considered a failure or a hoax or worse by enough people to make a difference.


It's not a case of guilty until proven innocent. It is a case of already proven guilty - and has been covered up because of multi-billion dollar financial gain.



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03 Feb 2022, 6:29 am

Consider this, that even if 1% of the vaccinations on offer were bad vaccines and 99% were safe, then each compensation case could run into millions of pounds for those who are able to challenge the system (almost impossible) - unless you are already wealthy. 1% of the 4 and a half billion (approximately who have been vaccinated), if they were successful in suing for damages/injury, that would be be 40 million individual cases, multiplied by millions of currency for each of the 40 million cases if each case was able to be put forward (and if they were successful in the the cases they presented).

Can you even imagine the compensation required? It would bankrupt every pharma' company and anyone related to them financially. The political fallout would be deadly - chaos would ensue. It'd be a global pandemic of physical chaos.

That's why they are pushing mainstream media propaganda so hard (the pharma' companies behind MMM).

If the pharma' companies lose control of the mainstream media, we could be looking at a global extinction event.

P.S, so called conspiracy theorists have been following this for decades & which is why people have their cupboards full of tuna and are stocking up on survival gear. It's not something to be taken lightly.

Abstractly related to this is the fact that Bill Gates, one of the biggest shareholders & profit makers from vaccines & vaccination - is buying up land furiously everywhere he can, so that he has control of the chaos zones in the event of armageddon.



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03 Feb 2022, 5:25 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
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For the people who have had their lives saved from vaccination - this is wonderful news.

For the people who have gotten neurological damage or who have died ultimately from a tipping point of Myocarditis, or who have gotten Lupus or Guillian-Barre Syndrome or any other autoimmune condition from a bad vaccine - vaccinations basically look like tools of death to those people.

Many more have been saved or have had the severity of their illness reduced due to the vaccine then have been injured. But in this zero sum game thinking guilty until proven innocent era unless vaccines are perfect preventing all illness and transmission they are considered a failure or a hoax or worse by enough people to make a difference.


It's not a case of guilty until proven innocent. It is a case of already proven guilty - and has been covered up because of multi-billion dollar financial gain.

If they have been already been proven guilty then it was not covered up, the cover up failed and some of the consequences you mentioned in your other post would be happening. What I meant by guilty until proven innocent is the assumption before anything has been proven that every vaccine is there for nefarious reasons.

During the 1950s within a couple of weeks of the Polio vaccine being rolled out it turned out one hundred and twenty thousand doses of the live polio vaccine were sent out thousands got sick, dozens paralyzed and five died as the result of the vaccine and associated outbreaks. The vaccines were halted for a few weeks, suits were filed etc. What did not happen was any vaccine hesitancy, never mind an anti vax movement. Compare that to 2021 when a few cases of myocarditis from one company caused the vaccination rates to crater for months. The difference in attitudes between that era and this era is astounding.


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03 Feb 2022, 5:58 pm

I think it should be mentioned how Holocaust survivors are offended and outraged how the right has minimalized the crimes of the Nazis by associating them with vaccinations and masks.


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03 Feb 2022, 6:54 pm

Why is the government so desperate to keep lockdowns going? I don't believe they actually care this much about covid and I don't think that so many people in the government are Santa Claus with a big heart. It seems to be they have ulterior motives, but what are they?

Also, when other pandemics happened in the past, the government wasn't this harsh on them, yet covid seems to be the acception and they act like it's equivalent to Armageddon. Why? What's the real motive?