Anyone read the Bin Laden transcript yet?

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09 Sep 2007, 8:08 pm

he talks about noam chomsky, imperial hubris, the kyoto treaty, and capitalism.

it's pretty interesting. he sounds less like an evil villain and more like a person.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/secti ... script.pdf

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09 Sep 2007, 8:34 pm

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Yeah... If you overlook the fact that Hitler motivated a nation to kill over 25 million people, he had some decent, civil and insightful things to say as well.

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09 Sep 2007, 8:38 pm

No Reductio Ad Nazium, please.

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09 Sep 2007, 8:53 pm

LOL...

To compare Bin Laden to Hitler or Himler is just stupid.

Osama Bin Laden it would appear knows exactly how to phrase things so that they will maintain some sense of rationality, he is a gifted orator and has the weight of global dissatisfaction with current US and corporate policies among those ill affected by them.

As for Hitler motivating people, George Bush and his alliance of greedy scum are more closely comparable with Nazi political tactics than Osama who uses religious rhetoric.
The mass manipulation of the American public through a small cartel of media manipulators colours the judgement of that same public into a state of compliance much more easily compared with Nazi Germany.

Osama Bin Laden is also more likely than not little more than a pawn in a grander game than he himself realises, his family and the Bush family [along with all their corporate allies] seem determined to destroy us all if they can not have what they want...

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09 Sep 2007, 9:05 pm

im convinced that if the united states had better policys in the middle east (stay out of thier countrys and stop forcing democracy on them) we wouldnt be having all these problems today.

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09 Sep 2007, 9:44 pm

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I drew the allegorical analogue with Hitler to illustrate that Hitler also could sound logical and tangible. That was the only reason.

I agree with your assessment of GWB and his cronies in Washington and corporate boardrooms, and that they are evil, however, Bin Laden, his Salafist belief system, and the terror tactics that his organisation uses isn't exactly a refreshing alternative to Bush. --Bin Laden and his ilk would rather we abandon all of the social progress and enlightenment our society has made in 1,300 years, and replace it with laws and social order of a society that existed circa 700AD.

Thanks, but no thanks, Bush is gone in less than a year and a half, anyways.

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10 Sep 2007, 2:01 am

One question still hasn't been answered after 6 years..... Why were several members of Bin Laden's family allowed to fly out of America within 48 hours of the attack when every other plane was grounded?

As Pauline Hanson would say, 'Please explain'...

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10 Sep 2007, 2:39 am

I agree with a lot of what he says, although I don't think a solution is to submit to Shariah Law - or any absolute power. I feel guilty about agreeing with it because I have been taught that he is the arch-enemy, but he makes sense. Bush/Blair never made sense.

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Yeah... If you overlook the fact that Hitler motivated a nation to kill over 25 million people, he had some decent, civil and insightful things to say as well.

Well I guess you are saying that you can't listen to this guy because he killed so many people. Did he ?

There is so much spin from both sides that I really just like to look at some primary statistics like : who killed who, who left their country and went into someone else's country, stuff like that.

Bin Laden Body Count : 5,000
US Body Count : ........... 700,000 (in Iraq - that is a lot of dead people)

And the US has created wars with almost every continent this last 50 years or so. It's pretty crap.

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10 Sep 2007, 2:41 am

The reason the question hasn't been answered is because the question is factually misinformed.

This whole "hustling binLaden family members out of the country" event never happened. Liberals schemers took a partial truth, twisted in some misinformation and distributed it as fact.

First, no one was flown out of the country for the first 2 days after the attacks. Several important middle eastern muslim types were flown _inside_ the country, to an international airport, and flown out of the country the second the ban was lifted. And only a few of those were related to bin Laden.

The "question" also neglects the rather important detail that bin Laden has been exiled from his family for years.

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10 Sep 2007, 3:20 am

Columnist David Brooks said it best:

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You read this thing, and it's like he's been sitting around reading lefty blogs, and he's one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom the page.

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10 Sep 2007, 6:44 am

UncleBeer wrote:

Columnist David Brooks said it best:

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You read this thing, and it's like he's been sitting around reading lefty blogs, and he's one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom the page.

Is David Brooks afraid to tackle the assertions ? Sounds like it.

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10 Sep 2007, 7:41 am

rideforever wrote:

Is David Brooks afraid to tackle the assertions ? Sounds like it.

There's also Josh Marshall:

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But as an articulator of a vision, an expounder of "Islamofascism," or whatever the new trademarked word is now, he's about as coherent and comprehensible as a 9th tier blogger or one of those whacks sitting on a stoop in Union Square talking about fascism and Texas oil barons before they get overcome by the shakes or decide to start collecting more aluminum cans.

or Andrew Bolt:

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Read his latest message to the world, in which he appeals to the Left’s same neuroses, myths, prophets and demons - and to the same yearning for a totalitarian escape from the terrors of freedom.

Go through the list.

The capitalist system seeks to turn the entire world into a fiefdom of the major corporations…

All of mankind is in danger because of the global warming resulting in a large degree from the emissions of the factories of the major corporations…

No to spilling red blood for black oil…

It has now become clear to you and the entire world the impotence of the democratic system and how it plays with the interests of the peoples and their blood by sacrificing soldiers and populations to achieve the interests of the major corporations…

Among the most capable of those from your own side who speak to you on this topic (or war in Iraq) and on the manfacturing of public opinion is Noam Chomsky…

You should liberate yourself from the deception, shackles and attraction of the capitalist system…

I invite you to embrace Islam.

Every line of the above - bar the last - you will hear echoed by the protesters outside the APEC meeting today. The only argument between them and bin Laden is over which totalitarian faith offers freedom from thought and responsibility - communism, Gaia or Islam. And on the extent of the violence one can use to achieve it.

At their heart, after all, the far Left and far Right are as one. One menace, that is.

Oh, and if bin Laden can’t persuade you by appealling to your fears, can he interest you in a tax cut?

There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent.

or Uncle Seth the Noble:

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...would this not pump up the entire Democratic party base if this speech were given at next year’s convention?

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10 Sep 2007, 7:51 am

While Bin Laden and Bush hate each other, ironically they both politically need each other. Just before the 204 US election and now just before a major Iraq progress report, he appears. Immediately Bush pounces on the BIn Laden video to state how Bin Laden wants to defeat the US in Iraq and have a safe terrorist haven. That's a fair call but I'm very cynical about the timing. Bin Laden seems intent on helping Bush out, his appearance has only strengthened the resolve of US conservatives. But he knows that barking US conservatives will just fire up more Arabs to hate the US and join his sicko ideology. It's all a game. Ironically the extreme elements of the US conservatives and hardline Islam are very much alike, just a different ideology. They both advocate homophobia, male domination, insanity rules, hypocrisy, violence to achieve peace and a very narrow absolute way of thinking. While I don't agree with Bush I don't think he's evil, just someone who wrongly thinks in absolutes with no variation.

Sorry to go on and on.

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10 Sep 2007, 9:38 am

UncleBeer wrote:

Well, thanks for making that list.

There are about 10 assertions there in your list, why don't you explain why your consider each one to be incorrect and we can debate.

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10 Sep 2007, 9:46 am

rideforever wrote:

... and we can debate.

Who says I'm here to "debate"? :roll:

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10 Sep 2007, 11:35 am

frawley27 wrote:

While Bin Laden and Bush hate each other, ironically they both politically need each other.

Yes, they do.

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