Russia... Confused about what's going on...
NATO and EU are the main reasons but as far as picking the exact moment might have something to do with pandemic weakening the world order perhaps. I'm sure the intelligence services under Putin's command were able to quantify the impact of the pandemic on the influence of world powers. It's probably a contributing factor at most though...
ironpony wrote:
Okay thanks. I am watching the video but how does this fix a birthrate declining though? Are the men or women if the Ukraine more fertile in terms of access?
It isn't about that aspect of the thing, it is about you invading them while you are best able to with the amount of people you have right now.
Money is also a factor.
Geography and your sense of national security is also a factor.
Money and its importance to the continuing existence of your personal power and your country's economy is also a factor.
Money and its importance to the continuing existence of your country's military is also a factor.
Climate and energy are also factors.
Money from exporting your country's energy supplies is also a factor.
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kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Just watched a February 26 video which among other points brought up a good point about declining birth rates and overall population demographics in Russia as being a contributing factor in the 'why Now' equation.
Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
With all those beautiful women in russia, I find that hard to believe.
Pepe wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Just watched a February 26 video which among other points brought up a good point about declining birth rates and overall population demographics in Russia as being a contributing factor in the 'why Now' equation.
Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
With all those beautiful women in russia, I find that hard to believe. Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
Ever heard of contraception?
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r00tb33r wrote:
NATO and EU are the main reasons but as far as picking the exact moment might have something to do with pandemic weakening the world order perhaps. I'm sure the intelligence services under Putin's command were able to quantify the impact of the pandemic on the influence of world powers. It's probably a contributing factor at most though...
That is what I thought.
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Just watched a February 26 video which among other points brought up a good point about declining birth rates and overall population demographics in Russia as being a contributing factor in the 'why Now' equation.
Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
With all those beautiful women in russia, I find that hard to believe. Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
Ever heard of contraception?
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Okay thanks. I am watching the video but how does this fix a birthrate declining though? Are the men or women if the Ukraine more fertile in terms of access?
It isn't about that aspect of the thing, it is about you invading them while you are best able to with the amount of people you have right now.
Money is also a factor.
Geography and your sense of national security is also a factor.
Money and its importance to the continuing existence of your personal power and your country's economy is also a factor.
Money and its importance to the continuing existence of your country's military is also a factor.
Climate and energy are also factors.
Money from exporting your country's energy supplies is also a factor.
Oh okay thanks. Why didn't Putin say these were the reasons though, instead of giving the reason that the Ukraine possibly joining NATO is a threat, as to why?
But let's also say that is a big reason, as it was pointed out before that if you attack a NATO country, all the NATO countries would rise up against you? Why didn't Putin just join Russia with NATO? Because if he were to do that, then NATO wouldn't rise up against him if he Russia was a NATO nation itself? Then he could just attack Ukraine without worrying about NATO rising up against him, if Russia itself was a NATO nation?
But also, if he were to join NATO this also gives him an in, to find out who about his enemies as well. So why didn't he join Russia with NATO for those reasons?
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Just watched a February 26 video which among other points brought up a good point about declining birth rates and overall population demographics in Russia as being a contributing factor in the 'why Now' equation.
Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
With all those beautiful women in russia, I find that hard to believe. Think of it as, "You need to invade while you still have enough young men to make the army with which to invade and occupy."]
Ever heard of contraception?
Conception is irrelevant when the abortion rate is up in the world's highest,
Note this paper is 1997, and the issues have been continuing since then.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP162.html
Quote:
Recent demographic trends in Russia have caused widespread public concern. Russia is experiencing unusually high death rates from nonnatural causes, many related to alcoholism. Life expectancy, especially among working-age males, has dropped precipitously. The Russian fertility rate has declined to among the world's lowest, while its abortion rate is the highest. As a result, for the first time in Russian history, the annual number of deaths has exceeded the number of births (see Figure 1). Compounding these challenges, the population is aging rapidly—a trend that will accelerate over the next two decades—and immigration continues to increase, posing thorny political and social problems for a nation historically accustomed to a net outflow of people.
These events are widely seen as posing a national crisis for Russia.
These events are widely seen as posing a national crisis for Russia.
we move from 1997 to October 3, 2017,
https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/03/pu ... n-culture/
Putin’s Next Target Is Russia’s Abortion Culture
The Russian president is worried about his country’s shrinking population. His social-conservative allies say they have the solution.
By Amie Ferris-Rotman
Now we move to 2021
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-plan-red ... 73124.html
Russia Announces Plan To Halve Abortion Rates To Spur Population Growth
Quote:
MOSCOW -- Russia's government has approved measures aimed at halving the number of abortions carried out in the country before 2025, according to a document published on its website.
The plan is part of the government's latest long-term blueprint for improving the demographic situation in the country through 2025, amid a recently resumed decline in population growth after a decade of sluggish but stable increases.
The blueprint also sets forward plans for a significant reduction in infant and maternal mortality, and a rise in general reproductive health.
The plan is part of the government's latest long-term blueprint for improving the demographic situation in the country through 2025, amid a recently resumed decline in population growth after a decade of sluggish but stable increases.
The blueprint also sets forward plans for a significant reduction in infant and maternal mortality, and a rise in general reproductive health.
...
Quote:
In his state-of-the-nation address in January 2020, he described Russia's declining population as one of the country's biggest problems.
"Exiting this demographic trap is our historical duty," he said. "The preservation and growth of our nation is the highest national priority."
One year later, in a videoconference with officials, he backed plans to proactively discourage Russian women from terminating pregnancies.
"Exiting this demographic trap is our historical duty," he said. "The preservation and growth of our nation is the highest national priority."
One year later, in a videoconference with officials, he backed plans to proactively discourage Russian women from terminating pregnancies.
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ironpony wrote:
But also, if he were to join NATO this also gives him an in, to find out who about his enemies as well. So why didn't he join Russia with NATO for those reasons?
Probably for symmetric reasons - NATO would know much more about Russia.
And Russia is way more secretive than NATO members.
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ironpony wrote:
I mean for example, could Putin just be invading just for his own mere kicks and arousal, to get off on, nothing more possibly?
Nope; people like him are not that shortsighted and shallow.
They have interweaved goals at several levels all happening at the same time, personal, political, national.
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"There are a thousand things that can happen when you go light a rocket engine, and only one of them is good."
Tom Mueller of SpaceX, in Air and Space, Jan. 2011
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
ironpony wrote:
I mean for example, could Putin just be invading just for his own mere kicks and arousal, to get off on, nothing more possibly?
Nope; people like him are not that shortsighted and shallow.
They have interweaved goals at several levels all happening at the same time, personal, political, national.
Oh okay. Another thing I found interesting was this. I know this is Fox News, but is it true what they say in the video that Biden decide to a pause on oil and gas leases in America the exact same day that Russia invaded Ukraine. This is said at 6:35 into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwKN0bzghw
Now I know it's fox news, but is it true though that Biden did do that the same day, or are they lying?
Pepe wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
NATO and EU are the main reasons but as far as picking the exact moment might have something to do with pandemic weakening the world order perhaps. I'm sure the intelligence services under Putin's command were able to quantify the impact of the pandemic on the influence of world powers. It's probably a contributing factor at most though...
That is what I thought.
My thoughts are that the pandemic constitutes a breach of the Geneva Convention, who ever let the virus loose and is a good time to exploit other methods to extort answers from medical professionals about answers on rare or poorly understood disorders. I seem to be the only autistic person in my family, but COVID seems to be aimed at killing everyone in my family or with my type of family history.
ironpony wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
ironpony wrote:
I mean for example, could Putin just be invading just for his own mere kicks and arousal, to get off on, nothing more possibly?
Nope; people like him are not that shortsighted and shallow.
They have interweaved goals at several levels all happening at the same time, personal, political, national.
Oh okay. Another thing I found interesting was this. I know this is Fox News, but is it true what they say in the video that Biden decide to a pause on oil and gas leases in America the exact same day that Russia invaded Ukraine. This is said at 6:35 into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwKN0bzghw
Now I know it's fox news, but is it true though that Biden did do that the same day, or are they lying?
Regardless, you have crossed the line.
SECURITY!
Pepe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
ironpony wrote:
I mean for example, could Putin just be invading just for his own mere kicks and arousal, to get off on, nothing more possibly?
Nope; people like him are not that shortsighted and shallow.
They have interweaved goals at several levels all happening at the same time, personal, political, national.
Oh okay. Another thing I found interesting was this. I know this is Fox News, but is it true what they say in the video that Biden decide to a pause on oil and gas leases in America the exact same day that Russia invaded Ukraine. This is said at 6:35 into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwKN0bzghw
Now I know it's fox news, but is it true though that Biden did do that the same day, or are they lying?
Regardless, you have crossed the line.
SECURITY!
Plot thickens. Won't be the first time Biden got caught up in gas and oil...
ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Another thing I found interesting was this. I know this is Fox News, but is it true what they say in the video that Biden decide to a pause on oil and gas leases in America the exact same day that Russia invaded Ukraine. This is said at 6:35 into the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwKN0bzghw
Now I know it's fox news, but is it true though that Biden did do that the same day, or are they lying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwKN0bzghw
Now I know it's fox news, but is it true though that Biden did do that the same day, or are they lying?
Russia didn't invade Ukraine last year,
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-cl ... cff9d5fa6e
Quote:
Federal judge blocks Biden’s pause on new oil, gas leases
By KEVIN McGILL
June 15, 2021
... The moratorium was imposed after Biden on Jan. 27 signed executive orders to fight climate change. The suit was filed in March. The Interior Department later canceled oil and gas lease sales from public lands through June — affecting Nevada, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming and the bureau’s eastern region.
By KEVIN McGILL
June 15, 2021
... The moratorium was imposed after Biden on Jan. 27 signed executive orders to fight climate change. The suit was filed in March. The Interior Department later canceled oil and gas lease sales from public lands through June — affecting Nevada, Colorado, Montana, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming and the bureau’s eastern region.
And this year Russia Invaded Ukraine on the 24th not the 21st,
https://trib.com/business/energy/biden- ... bc478.html
Biden administration pauses oil and gas leasing for a second time
Nicole Pollack Feb 21, 2022 Updated Feb 21, 2022
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