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I have no idea what the truth is or does anyone else who isn't privledged enough to be part of the group of people running the world. Only fools think they know something by watching the news.

When Soviet tanks rolled into the streets of Prague, most of the world immediately knew what was going on. Behind the Iron Curtain, people were sprayed with the official fiction, but the truth spread rapidly and soon most people had a good idea of what was really happening. Maybe the average worker in far away Ulaanbaatar didn't much care, but even there, there were people who were interested and were able to put the pieces of the information together in a way that was consistent with the truth.

Not so different from today. Except that the news is less a government monopoly, no longer just a few big corporate broadcasting companies. People can 'open the tubes of the internets' and receive information from a very wide variety of sources. It is possible to put together a useful picture of the world. This won't eliminate all uncertainty. There are times when a government cabal or Enron style corporados pull a job that fools everyone - for a while.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm

371 Brains

God bless Jimmy Carter, he finally found a job he is good at, manual labor pounding nails.

So do you classify yourself as a hostile, paranoid right-winger? While you scorn all people who try to think, you seem to have special wrath for Carter, Clinton and the 'liberal' media. You also seem somewhat protective of Bush, who you have intimated is part of the secret group of people that are the only ones who really understand the world because they control it.

The thing about you Johnnie is that you just quote verbatim from the TV.

It's pathetic. Switch brain ON.

neither, I'm not a wacko that spends lots of time following politics

secret group? what is so secret about the presidential staff and other people they consult with ?
It ain't no secret his father was head of the CIA and don't take a spy to guess the rich old white guys discuss things and make the decissions.

If invading a country just based on their supposed development of WMD was a priority, we would be back in korea and probably a few other places.

Like who cares if bush flat out lied about WMD, ALL politicians LIE, they lie to get elected, they lie about the shape the country is in, they lie about everything. Only some nut job sitting in front of a TV and computer screen 18 hours a day would worry about it as they wash down boxes of twinkies with gallons of mountian dew.

It's obvious nobody cares about corperate america killing people or they wouldn't be using so much fuel or stopping at a C-store at night or buying lettuce from 3,000 miles away and putting people lives in danger, why pretend they care if GI Joe gets wasted by America Inc. if they don't care about all the other people America Inc. kills as they run down to wal-mart in their imported jap car with maybe some assemply required in america to buy stuff made by slaves who use power generated from coal in china where mine safety is a total joke as is most other forms of worker safety, they don't give a crap as long as they save a buck and can get more consumer crap and a bigger house than the next guy.

The hippie's figured it out decades ago, they ranted about the system and after a few years said nobody cares so why should they and they became todays evil scum yuppies who swindle morons because if they don't somebody else will and there is no stopping morons from being self destructive morons, so why not exploit them for all they are worth and live the good life.

example of typical liberals
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ha ... ?track=rss

too stupid to figure out how much house they can afford.

a liberal is just somebody full of hate of the wealthy and they will vote for anyone they think will hurt the rich and is sold to them as some simple peanut farmer or poor country boy from Hope Arkansas.

Some liberal morons do rather well in the academic world and just don't get the financial aspect of life and are totally fustrated people full of hate towards people who do get it. They are smart enough to make good office monkeys or regurgitate information in a classroom to their students, but are completely and total fustrated they are incapable of getting basic simple economics that some midwest turkey farmer understands even though he only graduated the sixth grade, they call him an ignorant redneck for voting republican over joining the tear down anyone who gets ahead on their own party.

http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/004583.html

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

I looked up the military death rate years ago when the nut jobs started whining about our boys dying over there and going back decades it's been like 1,000 a year even when we aren't playing world cops in very hostile places.

Our boys have better odd's in Iraq than trucking in the good old USA and sure have better odd's than living in a ghetto in the good old USA. They are also learning personal responsability and for the ones that come back in one piece, they will be better citizens than what happens to them on the streets of some big city where they end up either dead or in jail or hopeless drunks & druggies.

you idiots are egging on the resistance by not backing the decission made by the people elected to make decissions. traitors is what you people are who bash the great president george bush

Yeah, I looked into those statistical arguments that it was safer to be a US soldier in Baghdad than a truck driver or a ghetto resident in the US. They are completely bogus. There is no city in the US with a population of 150,000 that has seen 3700+ deaths from violent crimes and tens of thousands of violent non-fatal casualties since the invasion. Not even close. And if it is safer for the soldiers to join the military and go there and fight (as you say), how can anyone describe that as heroism, as risking all for others? If you are right, it is a rational risk reduction, self preservation, the easy way out. But of course, you are not right.

No doubt, some people will come back from the war better in various ways. But many of them will not. How many of the homeless, those with serious drug problems or mental illness that are panhandling every day are the result of previous wars? Wars have a way of chewing up soldiers and spitting them out, this one is no different.

The majority of the US population are not traitors for opposing this war. We are not fools for refusing to follow the leaders. We are demanding leadership that listens to the populace. They are supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

In most cities most of the murders happen in a section of the city and you also just added up how many years of so called war ?

cities contain safe neighborhoods, grandmothers in old folks homes, the majority of the residents aren't young males living in a ghetto type enviroment, yet you decided to include everyone in the city in your comparision.

you also have no clue how many truck drivers there are, yet jumped to some conclusion


Year US Deaths
2003 486
2004 849
2005 846
2006 822
2007 771
http://icasualties.org/oif/


http://www.chicagoreporter.com/1990/02- ... ictims.htm

so with 1.5 million in the military and around 800 a year dying in combat, the murder rate per 100,000 in the military is ? what 1/3rd of what it is for a young minority male living in chicago.

now if you want to dilute the statistics by including little old white ladies living miles away from the bad sections of chicago to argue your case, have at it. You won't sell me doing that.

Now why aren't all the people so concerned about our boys dying in Iraq not the least bit concerned about their welfare on the streets of america ?
Washington DC is worse, i just happened to find numbers from chicago.

break it down from every minority in the city to just the ones living in the worst areas and it would be even worse once the middle class minority people living in decent parts of major cities where removed from the statistics.

sorry i didn't fall for the mass hysteria created by the news media, i actually went and looked at the situation years ago when the mental media and nut cases started flapping their lips.

http://www3.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf

page 13 blows the 750,000 deaths number to hell

Interesting how the surge of attacks increased leading up the our election as nancy pelosi and her bunch flapped their lips causing thousands to die by giving hope to the resistance forces the liberal freaks would yank our forces out and once bush sent in more troops the slaughter went down.

Now go take a shower and go to bed like a normal person and tomorrow crawl out of your computer cave and get some fresh air, it will do you people good to get away from CNN and enjoy tomorrow living the good life in america thanks to all the real men in the world that keep your soft little butts safe from harm. oop's that probably should have been big fat butts

God bless The USMC
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000. ... e?readform

What an amazing amount of s**t you have discovered.


Judging by the length of your posts and your strong feeling, you obviously do.


Trilateral commission, WTO, Bildenberg Group, that Owl meeting they have in the West etc...


You are sounding like an idiot.


Sure people care. If you walked up to the grocey store and there were 2 lettuces 1 saying "buy this and you will kill someone" or "buy this and it's good for the environment", people would choose lettuce 2. However the corporations have removed lettuce B from the store, and even if it did appear in a store it wouldn't be labelled so that you can tell.

The problem is not that people don't care but that the choice to care has been removed from our stores. Sure you can phone up an organic lettuce distributor and get one delivered to your door ... this is some bloody hassle. If good lettuce was everywhere -and labelled- everyone would buy it.

Corporations fight any kind of labelling that points out how disastrous their products are.


Lot of truth to this, but he is an arrogant redneck anyway.

you're missing the point. Its got f**k all to do with IQ.. its about experience.

The definition of not winning is LOSING. You LOST Vietnam, both militarily and to communism. Or are you suggesting that your glorious military went there with no intention of actually winning?

Rofl at your assumptions about peoples experience or knowledge on here. Yeah, sure, we're ALL armchair generals who dont have a f*cking clue, slumped in our chair swimming in our own piss and buried under old kebab wrappers. Its not like THE WHOLE WORLD has access to the net. Its not like any one of us could be ex-military, or a reporter, or even work in politics. Nah, that could NEVER happen could it? For all you know, in between watching 24 and Lost, you might be talking to an ex army colonel, or a BBC World Service correspondent.

I couldnt give a s**t whether they found WMDs or not. We already know Saddam had WMDs because we have the receipts for when we sold them to him, and we saw him use them on the Iranians for a decade, not to mention the Kurds.

If your talented and genius leaders had done the job properly in 91 then you wouldnt be stuck in a new 'Nam.

not likely they would waste their time arguing with people on the internet and anyone with a point to prove would start off the same way every dumbazz in trucking does if they had some sort of personal experiance that would make them think their take on things topped everyone elses.


like that somehow makes their veiw top anyone elses reality is anyone with a year or two of actual experiance driving a truck could know as much if not more than somebody with 20 years. It's not rocket science.
Some fool on the outside looking in could study the industry for 40 years and still not have a clue.


If anyone here was anything more than some computer hermit, they would make it known so their point of veiw would trump other peoples point of veiw.

Since when did truckers become the font of universal knowledge, or the baseline for experience? Its not THAT hard to get a Goods license, and I very much doubt that spending half your time glued firmly to the cheap vinyl seatcover of a Mack, dragging a trailer full of pigshit to the corner of No and Where, Illinois is a solid basis for a rounded world view. Since when were truckers NOT armchair soldiers?

Gives you time to think, and listen to
the news. Probably more than most
people's jobs.

I accounted for the many years of the war. I said "There is no city in the US with a population of 150,000 that has seen 3700+ deaths from violent crimes and tens of thousands of violent non-fatal casualties since the invasion."

If we take an average of the whole years you supplied (not fractional years 2003, 2007), then there were ~840 fatalities per year per 150,000, or ~560 per 100,000 per year. That is significantly higher than your figures for inner city blacks (which are highly segmented).

Why do you divide by by 1.5 million people in the armed forces, and not the 150,000 people in Iraq? You are doing exactly what you accused me of - diluting the numbers. Iraq is where the fatalities are happening.

There is no doubt that serving in the military during peace time is safer than being in a gang in some inner city neighborhood. But you know that a soldier that gets called up and assigned to serve in Okinawa or Ramstein is not going to react the same way as one being sent to Rammadi or Baquba, and it's not because they are being irrational. They know that being in those areas pose a greater risk to life and limb.

And your charges that no one cares about the inner city in America are a red herring. They are two separate issues, although they might be linked by the fact that spending for the war reduces the possibilities for programs of law enforcement, education, or job creation that might help the inner cities.

So does sitting "in front of a computer all day & night living on mountain dew & twinkies." But apparently not as much as trucking.

Also " sitting around watching the silly news and getting all bent out of shape about things you have no control over" is not something truckers do, or so it seems.

However.. "its not rocket science", but "Some fool on the outside looking in could study the industry for 40 years and still not have a clue." Which is odd, because usually something not being rocket sceince implies its reasonably simple, and that random amateurs could do it.

The contradictions in the posts are starting to make it hard to figure out what exactly hes trying to say.

I'm still trying to figure out how truckers can have their finger on the pulse of modern society, if they dont listen to the news whilst doing their simple job that an outsider could never understand....

guilty as charged



and most people stationed in the country aren't in areas where the fatalities are happening, so it's the luck of the draw same as it is for some inner city young guy just happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.



they aren't even though some think they are and the average person walking around babbling about international affairs has a much knowledge about it as they do about driving a truck, they assume they know something.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

http://members.boardhost.com/zendevil/m ... 08358.html

it's still pointless for anyone to pretend they care about the people in the military when they don't give a crap about them the day before they join or the day after they are discharged.