The HORRIFIC Torture Of The Women Of The Battle Of Berlin

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You and I don’t find it normal. But we likely didn’t grow up in societies that encouraged that kind of thing.

When I was about 11 or 12 years old, I knew a girl who’d been raped by her father and another girl who’d been raped by her cousin and had sex with her uncle. The uncle was about my age. After some time getting to know this particular family, I decided to put some distance between myself and them. I just wasn’t raised that way.

Time passed.

In college I studied sociology. Turns out incest is rampant in certain communities—in particular rural and urban black communities, Appalachia, and the Mississippi Delta. I was like, ok, that explain a lot, but it didn't occur to me I’d ever teach in “those” kinds of places.

Then I got my first teaching gig, and I really wasn't prepared for how backwards this place was. Plus I was an absolutely awful teacher back then. I had this one girl in my glass who was a couple months pregnant. She was sent to alternative school when she got close to term, and I briefly saw her again after she had the baby. This girl was in 7th grade, meaning she’d been sexually active since around 11 years old.

I was thinking if she’d been my daughter, somebody would be in prison. So why didn't her parents press charges? Pure speculation, of course, but if the father was a family member, it starts to make sense why there’d be no interest in prosecuting a child rapist.

Then it hit me--this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME and nobody says a word about it. When I moved to the Delta, I found this was encouraged among the more impoverished population. For many people, incest IS normal, whereas for people like myself it's repulsive.

Something being normal doesn't make it right. It doesn't indicate good mental health among those trapped in it. It doesn't indicate a culture that embraces justice and freedom. But there’s no point either to saying it isn't “normal” because we are culturally averse to it.

Rape in the context of war is only not normal because war is never normal. The rape of Nanking is an example of a military culture that has come to accept rape as a feature of war. It is perfectly normal for men to desire sexual gratification, which “normally” happens in the context of a married relationship. The risk of losing one’s life coupled with long deployment and no consequences plus encouragement from other soldiers and even officers means a high likelihood that something like Nanking will inevitably happen. Even worse is when military officers ORDER soldiers to do it.

^ Don't you think those girls should get some safe space to share their point of view on this? Their families clearly aren't and I know how balancing between actual racism and lazily applied "political correctness" can prevent forming such spaces outside - but being myself a member of a traumatized community, I know how important it is to realize how things we consider "normal" and common can be horribly unhealthy and damaging.
It's complex, especially if it involves some dynamics of external threat (police brutality!) and need to stay together to survive on the simplest physical/economical level. Such factors fortify prolonging and hiding of internal abuse, I know it from my own backyard, even if here it wasn't that drastic.

Not every war turns into a mass rape feast - so I don't think we should generalize on this level. There is a serious difference between war crimes being random crimes investigated and punished and war crimes being practically an encouraged policy.
The same with peacetime abuses, by the way.

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Basically, we have to get much better at enforcing the Geneva Convention in a thorough manner. Yes. This includes the US.

If this reeks of “World Government,” so be it. I don’t care.

We must never let rape and pillage be “normalized.”

^^^Agrees with the above Post concerning, normalized actions .^^^

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This thread seems to be going in circles

There is general agreement that.

Soldiers raping women in countries they occupy has been common.

It has been allowed by higher ups from immediate commanders to the very top for reasons of increasing morale of their own troops and hurting morale of the enemy.

Today it is easier to expose, victims are more willing to speak about it, and the media in certain counties are more willing to report their own troops doing it.

The above has not deterred the Russians in Ukraine.

The basics of this I knew before this thread started.


WP members are more likely then the general population to be victims of rape and thus have PTSD from it.

The above said if you read my posts in PPR you know I am against banning difficult subjects just because they are difficult but there has to be a benefit of some sort and I do not see that here.

Am I missing something?

Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 12 Dec 2022, 2:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.

I am speaking of general atrocities of war, rather than what specifically happened in the Battle of Berlin. Nevertheless, I believe it's important to talk about "generalities" when it comes to rape, etc.

Rape to "boost morale"--ridiculous. Definitely not saying anyone here advocates that----but there is the sense that commanders, in order to "calm the soldiers down," condone this rape.

What usually happens in war---is behind the promulgation of the Geneva Convention. And also of the United Nations. Many people have been seeking to prevent wars in the past and its associated atrocities in the past; and this continues today.

Unfortunately, the United Nations, when it comes to "preventing war," does not succeed too well. It succeeds in other things though---like UNESCO and UNICEF, so it's not a total failure.

This was mentioned some 10 pages ago....

The OP is right that Russia is doing some terrible things in the name of Putin as we speak including allowing rape as a weapon. But thats about all you CAN say about it. We are already sanctioning Moscow. So there aint much else anyone can do about it.

So 20 pages is kinda of enough to keep repeating the above over and over again.

There are scales of abuse that cross a spectrum, In China at the moment there is a thriving industry in harvesting organs. Literally anyone in a Chinese prison who is a healthy adult can be randomly plucked and sent to a specially designed location where any organ in their body can be harvested while they are kept sedated and alive. This is to maximise the life of the organ so it can be sent to a wealthy client who flies in from Saudi Arabia or Dubai. I understand demand > supply

Then there are millions of Uygher, North Korean and Tibetan women being brainwashed in concentration camps which are then used as breeding farms or (as mentioned on Joe Rogan's podcast) they are sent into rural China to supply an insatiable appetite for unmarried men.

There are equally horrific abuses that happen outside of war, Except nobody is sanctioning China.

and the estern allies were any better? they firebombed german and japanese cities and nuked japanese cities

Jeez it seems as this goes on and on …and the title of the thread seems to be ignored ….? The further it goes on

Some don't think it is a problem.

I am not an off-topic or "going in circles" Nazi.

I don't have a major problem with off-topic remarks, assuming it isn't a deliberate attempt to derail a thread.

Most threads in forums, be they on an NT or ND website, tends to go off-topic eventually.
If ppl don't like it, there is nothing forcing them to read it.

As I mentioned early on, this thread has been very cathartic for me and allowed me to come to grips to some degree with "Generational Trauma".