How Mass Illegal Immigration impacts citizens with autism

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Near as I can tell the people with the victim mentality are the same people scapegoating immigrants as the cause of all their problems.

I always loathe these lines of argument. "Illegal immigration is bad for the environment!" "Illegal immigration is bad for African Americans!" "Illegal immigration is bad for lower income Americans!" "Illegal immigration is bad for women!"
These are not arguments that stem originally from a concern for any of those groups. These arguments are made, most often in bad faith, in order to mask hatred of immigrants by acting like it's out of concern for the less fortunate. The hatred of immigrants comes first--the strategic, situational, half-hearted concern for the less fortunate comes later.

Lol the anti-immigrant crowd doesn't give a damn about us. Certainly not enough to actually pursue policies that address our concerns. The anti-immigrant crowd doesn't care about low income autistic people being able to access mental healthcare (or any other healthcare for that matter). They don't give a damn about autistic people who struggle to self-advocate. They don't give a damn about autistic people who struggle to find jobs because of mental disabilities. They don't give a damn about autistic women, and they almost always hate feminism. They don't give a damn about homeless autistic people.
They don't care enough about any of those things as such, because that would require supporting things like feminism, the social safety net, universal healthcare, and equity--all things which would actually benefit autistic Americans.

You know who else the anti-immigrant crowd doesn't give a damn about? Autistic immigrants. They barely care about American autistic people---they sure as hell don't care about autistic immigrants! The thought does not enter their brains that autistic people might come here illegally in search of better mental healthcare than they can find in their home countries. But who cares about them right? Autistic people who break the law don't deserve sympathy like autistic people who lick the State's boot.

Also, the Democratic party isn't communist. Please don't say that. As a communist, it just bums me out to be reminded that the Democrats are moderate, basic, naive capitalists. We wish the Dem party was communist

Ya, this post is dead lol, it has degenerated into "you're wrong!" "No! you're wrong!" I'm out, peace

I have not noticed any kind of impact of "mass illegal immigration" in my life.

I would like to ask the OP what jobs are illegals taking from Americans?
As a matter of fact, jobs in agriculture that are mostly filled by illegals is work most Americans won't do, and the farmers who depend on employing said illegal labor would be left devastated without them.
As for Biden and Harris allegedly opening the door for illegals to swarm through: this has been happening long before the current administration, despite what fascist Republicans want you to think (see, I can use exaggerated political talking points, too!).
But seriously, unless you think American born autistics should be doing backbreaking, poverty wage work in the fields, I fail to see how illegals are taking jobs away from us on the spectrum.

Nonsense.

Firstly, we don't have uncontrolled immigration. We have extremely strict controls which are suffocating our economy and harming the worst off.

Anyone who has had any interaction with the NHS would know it would be much worse without immigrant workers.

School places, similarly - there are too few children these days and schools are having to close due to lack of demand. It is a complete fabrication that immigrant children are crowding others out.

And our housing crisis is not caused by immigration, it is caused by our persistent failure to build due to decades of overregulation, which has been exacerbated by a shortage of construction workers following Brexit.

Again, if you don't like immigrants, there are plenty of countries that have very few. Suspect you won't actually want to move to them.

Mass immigration would make it hard for autistic and other disabled people to get jobs. I think that most bosses would rather hire an allistic foreigner than hire one of us.

Once again, I have to ask- what jobs?

Autistic people and immigrants generally don’t fulfill the same niches in society. We aren’t competing for anything except for housing (which isn’t a failure on the immigrants, but rather a failure of government, as I said earlier in this thread over on page 1. For my full argument, go read that).

Its already harder for autistic and disabled people to get jobs. Take immigration out of this equation, and the anti-immigrant crowd does not care that we struggle to find jobs. They want to convince us that the best way to help us is to screw someone else over.

Why actually make it easier for everyone to find a job, when we could just make it harder for undesirables to find jobs? What happens when WE become undesirable?

As long as we are mixing right-wing talking points and autism, why are we so fixated on autistic victimhood? The market is meritocratic, and giving jobs to undeserving disabled people like us is an intolerable inefficiency and a violation of the spirit of meritocracy.

Is OP employed? Did you actually earn that job, or did they just pity you because of your autism? Are you just benefitting from affirmative action? Did you take a job from a harder-working neurotypical? I swear, some people feel so entitled to employment, especially those lazy disabled people.... Maybe self-pitying autistic people should complain less and work harder, pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right?

(Because this is an autistic forum, I feel the need to point out I am being satirical)

It would be easier to have a constructive discussion if you felt confident enough in your position to attempt to defend it instead of flinching and fleeing the moment your position is criticized.

I wish there was a settings option on WP which enables an ordinary member the choice to block some threads from not appearing on their feed.

PS Walrus, thank you for your responses.

I’m British, and we have similar problems with immigration here.

My only issue with your post above is that it doesn’t go far enough.

You might disagree with me here, but as far as I’m concerned (1) it’s not just illegal immigration that’s a problem, but legal immigration too, (2) it’s not just autistic people that immigration harms, (3) the problems with immigration are not just economic, (4) it’s not just the establishment ‘left wing’ party that allows mass immigration (both legal and illegal), but the establishment ‘right wing’ party too.

Of course, this thread is full of the usual predictable responses, like

“Immigrants contribute to the economy”

My response to that: You can’t make a blanket assertion like that, because several immigrants actually take more from the economy than they give.

(But as far as I’m concerned, that’s not the main issue with immigration anyway, because unlike some people I don’t view human life and human society in purely economic terms.)

“Don’t blame the immigrants, blame the government”

My response to that: Why can’t we blame both? That seems to be what the OP is doing anyway.

And here’s a response I didn’t see coming: “Illegal immigrants and autistic people aren’t competing for the same jobs anyway”

My response to that: That’s nothing but an unsubstantiated assertion produced for the sake of contradicting the OP. Are we really supposed to believe no autistic person has ever tried to get a job as a fruit-picker or delivery driver?

I predict that this thread will eventually be closed, and will be shortly followed by someone starting yet another new thread asking something along the lines of, “what on earth makes right-wingers feel they’re being silenced?”

As soon as I saw that you had posted in this thread, I suspected that your post would be another lazy attempt to make yourself look big and clever at someone else’s expense.

My suspicions were confirmed before I even started reading the second paragraph.



It’s ironic that you would make a complaint like this, when several of your own posts on WP consist of little more than sentences copied and pasted from Wikipedia (occasionally without proper attribution, I might add).

By the way, here is how your favourite country views illegal immigrants:

Remarkable. You don’t even support any controls on immigration at all. Even the most fanatical establishment neoliberals rarely come out with statements like this.

I honestly think a large part of your open borders fanaticism is just a matter of status-signalling. Only low status people complain about immigration, right? People who complain about immigration just want to blame others for their personal inadequacies – isn’t that how the cliché goes?

By the way, the OP’s reference to communism might have been inappropriate, but you throwing that word back in their face is even more ridiculous. I guess most of Western Europe prior to WW2 was communist by your definition, and so has Japan been for pretty much all its history.

Anyway, it’s kind of amusing seeing a socially liberal Brit accusing others of being “communist” and “un-American”, like some sort of John Bircher American conservative.



Firstly, this sort of rhetoric is a typically lazy, tabloid-esque way of dismissing a person’s complaints about their own society, and I’m surprised to see you use it.

[Cf. “You have some issues with capitalism? Move to Cuba!” – “You have a problem with big government? Move to Somalia!” – “You think there’s too much religion in your society? Move to China!” – “You think there’s not enough religion in your society? Move to Saudi Arabia!]

Secondly, although I can’t tell if this really applies in the OP’s case, telling someone who complains about immigration to move somewhere (anywhere) where immigration is low usually just reveals a total lack of understanding about the complaints in the first place, and an inability to see human beings as anything more than economic units. Many people oppose immigration because they want to live around people similar to themselves, because they’d rather feel part of a community than feeling like a mere cog in the economy.

Thirdly, your suggestion is amusingly self-contradictory. Since North Korea has virtually no immigration, people from the West cannot “always move” there – in fact, it would be very difficult for them to do so.

Normally I’d say this would be a valid argument.

But in this case, the OP was made by an autistic person complaining about how illegal immigration affects autistic people.

Then again, I have to admit that as an autistic person, I myself don’t feel any great concern for the ‘autistic community’ – or at least for autistic adults. Whenever I do feel myself identifying with the autistic community, a quick browse of the WP Politics forum usually puts a stop to it.

Within a multicultural society, it is possible to have communities in the sense of organized subcultures, be they ethnic, religious, or otherwise. There are alternatives to being "a mere cog in the economy." It is not necessary to exclude immigrants to achieve this.