How Mass Illegal Immigration impacts citizens with autism

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Of course, this thread is full of the usual predictable responses, like

“Immigrants contribute to the economy”

My response to that: You can’t make a blanket assertion like that, because several immigrants actually take more from the economy than they give.

“Don’t blame the immigrants, blame the government”

My response to that: Why can’t we blame both? That seems to be what the OP is doing anyway.

And here’s a response I didn’t see coming: “Illegal immigrants and autistic people aren’t competing for the same jobs anyway”

My response to that: That’s nothing but an unsubstantiated assertion produced for the sake of contradicting the OP. Are we really supposed to believe no autistic person has ever tried to get a job as a fruit-picker or delivery driver?

I predict that this thread will eventually be closed, and will be shortly followed by someone starting yet another new thread asking something along the lines of, “what on earth makes right-wingers feel they’re being silenced?”

Remarkable. You don’t even support any controls on immigration at all. Even the most fanatical establishment neoliberals rarely come out with statements like this.

I honestly think a large part of your open borders fanaticism is just a matter of status-signalling. Only low status people complain about immigration, right? People who complain about immigration just want to blame others for their personal inadequacies – isn’t that how the cliché goes?

By the way, the OP’s reference to communism might have been inappropriate, but you throwing that word back in their face is even more ridiculous. I guess most of Western Europe prior to WW2 was communist by your definition, and so has Japan been for pretty much all its history.

Anyway, it’s kind of amusing seeing a socially liberal Brit accusing others of being “communist” and “un-American”, like some sort of John Bircher American conservative.



Firstly, this sort of rhetoric is a typically lazy, tabloid-esque way of dismissing a person’s complaints about their own society, and I’m surprised to see you use it.

[Cf. “You have some issues with capitalism? Move to Cuba!” – “You have a problem with big government? Move to Somalia!” – “You think there’s too much religion in your society? Move to China!” – “You think there’s not enough religion in your society? Move to Saudi Arabia!]

Secondly, although I can’t tell if this really applies in the OP’s case, telling someone who complains about immigration to move somewhere (anywhere) where immigration is low usually just reveals a total lack of understanding about the complaints in the first place, and an inability to see human beings as anything more than economic units. Many people oppose immigration because they want to live around people similar to themselves, because they’d rather feel part of a community than feeling like a mere cog in the economy.

Thirdly, your suggestion is amusingly self-contradictory. Since North Korea has virtually no immigration, people from the West cannot “always move” there – in fact, it would be very difficult for them to do so.

I honestly think a large part of your open borders fanaticism is just a matter of status-signalling. Only low status people complain about immigration, right?

No, and I think it's pretty classist to suggest such a thing. There are plenty of "low status" people who are liberal, tolerant, and open-minded. There are plenty of high-status people who are small-minded, nationalist, and intolerant - Boris Johnson, Kemi Badenoch, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Jeremy Corbyn, Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch, Nigel Farage, Douglas Murray... Heck, there's a case that the anti-immigration movement is primarily driven by multi-millionaires.

The "high status" thing to do is to say "it's not racist to be against immigration" and "we need reasonable controls", and other virtue-signalling lies.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-us-jobs
https://autisticadvocacy.org/about-asan ... e-believe/
According to ASAN, autistic adults who are US citizens and legal residents were already having considerate socio-economic barriers (namely stigma and lower wages than nondisabled NTs) in the first place waaaaay before Biden and Harris started opening the border allowing countless 10s of millions illegal aliens to enter the US and steal jobs from U.S. citizens. This is another proof that once again, the mainstream socialist/communist Democrat party of the U.S. have been proven to be backstabbers for Americans with disabilities. And I'm tired of being silent so I see the proof of test of time.
This fact that jobs in the community that citizens and legal residents with I/DD and autism are obviously the prime ways that these adults, like us, can live and sustain ourselves in the community, instead of sheltered workshops or institution colonies, are being taken by illegal aliens, undermines the Olmstead v. L.C. (1999) promise.

I live in Canada, not that anyone cares. I'm worried that eventually it will be too expensive for anyone but very rich people to live up here or buy food. It might even be turning into a third-world country. But no one cares, they only care about what's happening in the USA.

Typical American Exceptionalism.

Eh, I’ll bite

The problems that come with immigration are failures of government, not failures of the immigrants.

Housing wouldn’t be an issue if we had Japanese style zoning implemented at a state or province level.

Jobs wouldn’t be an issue long term because immigrants are significantly more likely to be business owners and to hire people than the native population. Let migrants start businesses and they can literally make their own jobs.

Taxes are a non-issue as even illegal immigrants pay sales taxes, income taxes, social security (in the us), etc. pulled out of their checks automatically. What do you guys seriously think employers are going to exempt their illegal employees from payroll taxes? And risk getting caught by the IRS and immigration?

So They do not have a choice in the matter. They pay taxes automatically. But unlike citizens, they get zero credits for it, so when they file taxes (which they often do, because many intend to become legal at some point and they think paying taxes helps them) they get nothing back- no credits or anything. In the US, they use an IRS pin to file taxes instead of a social security number.

You guys seriously think the government cares about where your money comes from? The government will happily take your money even if you’re not here legally. They love taking money and then not having to give anything back.

Integration isn’t an issue, at least in the US, as the migrants we get are already culturally similar to us. In Canada, the situation is different, but could’ve been resolved by mandatory classes on Canadian culture and history. Again, government failure.

Finally, for other people with ASD, exactly what kind of work are immigrants taking that people with ASD would do / would be negatively affected by?

The only thing I can think of is tech, but that’s an H1-B visa problem- again, a government failure, not a failure on the (in this case, 100% legal) migrant.

All of the above are government failures, not failures of immigrants. Most immigrants come here intending to work and make money. They know the deal.

The problem is that the government continuously fails to make necessary changes and so that results in problems.

We should be pushing the government to make necessary changes rather than blaming immigrants for the problem of the week, but that’s hard and it’s a lot easier to just blame others rather than actually doing the work to change things.

I don't know how it works in the US, but in Canada employers pay illegals in cash since you need a SIN number to work and pay taxes.

The problem with your analogy is that dogs don't contribute to the home's income, whereas immigrants most certainly do contribute to GDP and government budgets through taxes.

They will take hotels that are better served to homeless autistic people with dreams.
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They will take hotels that are better served to homeless autistic people with dreams.
https://shastascout.org/we-the-autistic ... yone-else/