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01 Dec 2024, 7:13 pm

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A lot of the time it seems like mainstream Christian theology is held together with duct tape and popsicle sticks in hopes the contradictions aren't noticed.


This here is exactly why the conversation gets framed in terms of "Christianity", rather than individually discussing Roman Catholics vs Baptists vs Protestants vs Lutherans vs Quakers vs Jehovah's Witnesses etc etc, all of whom are "Christian", but still have very different belief structures, despite any overlap. Similar to how they always refer to THE Pope, even though there's actually seven different Popes depending on the branch of Christianity.

If a Jehovah's Witness stops a Roman Catholic from having an Easter party, is that defending christianity in favor of the JW, or is that discriminating christianity by blocking the Catholic? Someone called Cornflake's perception of god "egotistical", yet it's right in line with Lutheranism. Is that persecuting christanity if you deny or insult Lutheran beliefs? Lutheranism says I don't even have to baptized in order to find salvation. Can Baptists and Protestants come after me, or am I protected?

Rather than get into all that, they get lumped together as "Christians!" in order to make things seem like a cohesive whole, rather than a patchwork of scattered yet similar beliefs.


Is there a Christian sect that would celebrate the vengeful and jealous traits embodied in the God of the Old Testament?

It seems like they all equally try to ignore/downplay/avoid giving attention to those aspects, from the most progressive to the most conservative, from the most fundamentalist to the most liberal.


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01 Dec 2024, 7:16 pm

JWs focus more on the OT than Jesus, but yeah, they don’t really celebrate YHWH’s traits so much as gaslight themselves into believing that his sh***y behavior is a-okay.


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01 Dec 2024, 7:22 pm

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JWs focus more on the OT than Jesus, but yeah, they don’t really celebrate YHWH’s traits so much as gaslight themselves into believing that his sh***y behavior is a-okay.


Exactly what I mean. There's a weird double-think where clearly intolerable behaviour must be approved of because it's YHWH behaving like the demon the Egyptians identified him as.


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01 Dec 2024, 7:24 pm

Let me give you an example. Here in this disgusting passage at Deuteronomy 21:10-13:

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When you go out to war against your enemies and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive, 11 suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, 12 and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails, 13 discard her captive’s garb, and remain in your house a full month mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and certainly not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

When they cover this in their weekly Bible reading, JWs act like waiting one month demonstrates Jehover’s love and compassion. I.just.can’t.

My blood pressure is rising… :lol:


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01 Dec 2024, 7:35 pm

What further complicates the issue is that Jesus himself upholds the OT at Mathew 5:17-20:

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Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
He also quotes passages of the OT here and there although it seems likely that scribes put words in Jesus’ mouth. Well, that’s true in a more general sense…

Anyway, a lot of Christians just uphold the nice things Jesus supposedly said which is good, but I think it’s challenging for many to decide what they will or won’t follow. Of course, some just allow their denomination to decide for them which can be quite problematic.


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01 Dec 2024, 10:27 pm

Just in case anyone gets the wrong impression from some of my posts - whilst I do often ponder the issues of LGBTQIA+ in relation to the Christianity, in no way do I generally dislike homosexuals of any type, or any LGBTQIA+ folk simply for having any of those characteristics.

In real life, I tend to keep any controversial topics I have in mind quiet, for the sake of peace.

I can't help what goes through my head though? And I would hope that people would be a bit charitable when estimating the intentions of my postings here in PPR.



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01 Dec 2024, 11:13 pm

I think that people have been remarkably charitable throughout this thread taking various factors into account. It’s really not a controversial topic or, at least, it shouldn’t be.

From GLAAD:

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TERMS TO AVOID
“homosexual” (n. or adj.)

Because of the clinical history of the word “homosexual,” it is aggressively used by anti-LGBTQ activists to suggest that people attracted to the same sex are somehow diseased or psychologically/emotionally disordered – notions discredited by the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association in the 1970s. Please avoid using “homosexual” except in direct quotes. Please also avoid using “homosexual” as a style variation simply to avoid repeated use of the word “gay.” Many mainstream news outlets’ style guides restrict use of the term “homosexual.”

BEST PRACTICE
gay (adj.); gay man or lesbian (adj., n.); gay person/people

Use gay, lesbian, or when appropriate, bisexual, pansexual, or queer to describe people attracted to people of the same gender or more than one gender. Ask people how they describe themselves before labeling their sexual orientation.

https://glaad.org/reference/terms/

I’m not meaning to nitpick. It’s just something to maybe think about.


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01 Dec 2024, 11:34 pm

I have been to several countries around the world during my life and have met and known people of all religions. Some were good, some were bad, and most were somewhere in between. Each and every religion has both amazingly good and horrifically bad events in their past that cannot be changed, only learned from. I personally do not subscribe to any religion but I do view the universe as a living entity. I care not what religion anyone chooses to follow, I only care if they are kind and treat others with the respect of an equal. People are the same everywhere, the only things that separate us are languages and cultures. Everyone's poop stinks.

Making fun of other peoples religion, race, culture, and so on isn't anything new. I believe in the fundamental tenets of free speech, but I also believe free speech is never free. Everything we say and do in this world causes a ripple, has an effect even if we never see it. Mocking anyone's religion in the context the Virgin Mary is free speech, but as we see it rippled into censorship and then back into a circular backlash loop spiraling into nothing but hate from all towards each other. Who wins? We live in a world today on a brink of insanity where dark minded people keep trying to provoke others into 'starting something' with these sort of taunts.

I guess the question is if there is anything each of us can to do when these thing happen, and if there is then what it is we can do. We need a plan. For me the plan has always been simple, treat people as I want to be treated. Words have emotional power and therefore I try to keep emotion out of my words, I verbalize my emotion with behavior and words when necessary and appropriate. Kindness is never a weakness, it is always true strength. Compassion, empathy, and tolerance is paramount; if I have nothing nice to say I shouldn't say anything. I still struggle with sarcasm when confronted a little bit but working on it. Nobody is perfect after all, except everyone's God.



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02 Dec 2024, 12:44 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:
I think that people have been remarkably charitable throughout this thread taking various factors into account.


You're making me not trust that you know what is meant by charitable in this context.

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From GLAAD:


GLADD is an activist organization, and a dishonest one at that, I actively disregard most anything they have to say.


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02 Dec 2024, 12:57 am

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I think that people have been remarkably charitable throughout this thread taking various factors into account.


I suspect several of us have different realities. Or maybe we disagree on the meaning of 'charitable'. Or maybe it's some crazy combination of both. :? Whatever it is, it seems irreconcilable.



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02 Dec 2024, 10:51 am

The word “charitable” has different definitions. I’m employing the one that involves being lenient when judging others.

We’ve mostly been able to maintain a respectful dialogue in this thread, critiquing ideas and beliefs, without excessive rule breaks. This isn’t just a casual topic. It’s one that carries a lot of weight and emotion with it as all topics involving bigotry do. The fact that the thread hasn’t been locked by this point says a lot. People don’t need to be ‘nice’ in PPR, and they won’t be if something offends them. Staying in the rules can be a feat when it comes to certain topics, and we’ve mostly done that. Depending on how offensive posts are, sometimes not engaging in personal attacks can be being charitable, so “being charitable” depends on context.

Explaining why something is or may be offensive, in general and in certain contexts, is not being uncharitable. It’s more about being helpful. In this thread, people have covered an astonishing array of common anti-LGBTQ+ talking points and terminology. Bearing that in mind, it’s cool that the level of dialogue has remained as respectful as it has although I think the occasional misstep is, perhaps, understandable given some of the things that have been stated and behavior that was engaged in here.


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02 Dec 2024, 1:09 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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I think that people have been remarkably charitable throughout this thread taking various factors into account.


You're making me not trust that you know what is meant by charitable in this context.

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From GLAAD:


GLADD is an activist organization, and a dishonest one at that, I actively disregard most anything they have to say.

You make it sound like being an activist organization is a bad thing, and you apparently think that, but that is simply wrong. The purpose of activism is to make the world better for everyone, and in this case for LGBT+ folks in particular. The only objection I can see one can have to GLAAD is if one is homophobic and doesn't want the equality and rights for LGBT+ people that GLAAD is fighting for.



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02 Dec 2024, 1:19 pm

^ A person could theoretically be disinclined towards gay people, as a private matter, but still wish for equal rights for gay people.

Person A might not want gay children for example, as a preference, but would likely wish to have equal rights for any unborn offspring they might eventually have, who might be gay.

As an example of religious preference, Person B might not wish their family member to become Islamic, but if their family member did become Islamic, they wouldn't want that persons lawful rights affected in any way.



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02 Dec 2024, 1:22 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
^ A person could theoretically be disinclined towards gay people, as a private matter, but still wish for equal rights for gay people.

Person A might not want gay children for example, as a preference, but would likely wish to have equal rights for any unborn offspring they might eventually have, who might be gay.

But if that was the case, they would support GLAAD.



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02 Dec 2024, 1:25 pm

There have been some recent issues with GLAAD over the lavish spending of the CEO, but it’s absurd to suggest that that or any similar controversy negates the extremely important work that they have done for decades. Automatically dismissing what they have to say for such reasons would be an example of the genetic fallacy.

About GLAAD:

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/glaad/


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02 Dec 2024, 2:53 pm

I think this thread has probably demonstrated an element of religiophobia that seems to be present on WP, as well as any perceived homophobia.

I wonder why religiophobia isn't talked about more often? :chin: