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02 Dec 2024, 3:59 am

I always thought Elon Musk was liberal until recently because he is trying to replace the petroleum industry



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02 Dec 2024, 9:25 am

It's really impressive how Musk has engaged in such an aggressive campaign of highlighting his own stupidity.

Could have been a mildly eccentric billionaire behind two companies with great public perceptions.

Instead he's gone to great lengths to broadcast his own stupidity, gullibility, juvenile mindset, pettiness, disdain for the law, and his overwhelming need for attention and validation.

Were "Clinton-era Democrats" calling for civil war in the UK after people were arrested for burning down hotels? What about his views that Democrats are importing illegal immigrants to rig elections - is that a viewpoint closely associated with libertarians rather than MAGA types? His concern about "white genocide" - that's a moderate centre-right viewpoint, is it? His frothing transphobia - not just being clumsy about language, active and passionate hatred - does that seem more Third Way or Third Position?

To be honest I'm less concerned about what particular shade of moron he is, I think the gaping chasm in the man's character is a bigger issue than whether it's technically fair to call him a fascist or if he's just a stupid, gullible, reckless, petty manchild libertarian desperation for validation from the stupidest people on the internet.

Of course, the answer is "he doesn't care if people hate him, he's a billionaire" - but the delicious thing is that he very obviously does care. His governance of Twitter makes that very obvious. He's prioritised his own validation ahead of literally everything else.



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02 Dec 2024, 7:21 pm

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But of course, nobody would have tossed Musk into prison if the election had ended differently, despite what he said.


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02 Dec 2024, 7:25 pm

 

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02 Dec 2024, 9:08 pm

we [the working class] are doomed by our own weakness, selfishness and distractibility. I suspect ol' Ben Franklin knew we would not be able to keep it* going. John Adams certainly was doubtful when he said "Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide".

*Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” - September 17, 1787, during the Constitutional Convention



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02 Dec 2024, 9:12 pm

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It's really impressive how Musk has engaged in such an aggressive campaign of highlighting his own stupidity.


Ahh, I see this must be about the trans stuff, as dispassionate and intellectually rigorous Walrus has left and Whacky Wally has entered the chat. Tell me, was there not a flicker of discomfort as you were typing out this screed about the richest man in the world, who happens to be the most successful business executive of our lifetimes, who just leveraged his purchase of a dysfunctional social media site into a seat at the most powerful table in the world, in which you repeatedly call him stupid? I have my issues with Elon, but stupid? Come on, buddy.


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02 Dec 2024, 10:00 pm

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The_Walrus wrote:
It's really impressive how Musk has engaged in such an aggressive campaign of highlighting his own stupidity.


Ahh, I see this must be about the trans stuff, as dispassionate and intellectually rigorous Walrus has left and Whacky Wally has entered the chat. Tell me, was there not a flicker of discomfort as you were typing out this screed about the richest man in the world, who happens to be the most successful business executive of our lifetimes, who just leveraged his purchase of a dysfunctional social media site into a seat at the most powerful table in the world, in which you repeatedly call him stupid? I have my issues with Elon, but stupid? Come on, buddy.


Well, he can be business savvy (knowing when to cash in on the accomplishments of others), and then there's just emotional stupidity in which there's a general lack of empathy.


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02 Dec 2024, 10:02 pm

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Well, he can be business savvy (knowing when to cash in on the accomplishments of others), and then there's just emotional stupidity in which there's a general lack of empathy.


Nahh, he's got a track record, you just don't like his politics and can't separate that out.


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02 Dec 2024, 10:42 pm

Dox47 wrote:
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Well, he can be business savvy (knowing when to cash in on the accomplishments of others), and then there's just emotional stupidity in which there's a general lack of empathy.


Nahh, he's got a track record, you just don't like his politics and can't separate that out.


He may have either good advisors or business savey or Lucky? but still do not agree with his politics .
Worse....he gonna give Aspies a bad name in the long run, I feel ...... :roll:


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02 Dec 2024, 10:53 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, he can be business savvy (knowing when to cash in on the accomplishments of others), and then there's just emotional stupidity in which there's a general lack of empathy.


Nahh, he's got a track record, you just don't like his politics and can't separate that out.


As his politics involves giving racists and white nationalists a platform at the expense of the sane, you're Goddamn right!


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02 Dec 2024, 11:15 pm

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He may have either good advisors or business savey or Lucky?


How many successes before you can rule out luck?


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03 Dec 2024, 4:25 am

https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1843420599307382973

funny how indignation is on the side of governments, banks, and multinationals, or humantrafficking unhcr
kick banks out of un, and un 'heritage' out of cities/
maybe then......
& tax philantropy
https://resource.rockarch.org/story/roc ... s-to-2013/
changing sands in www, frederic gates and rockefeller: china medical philantropy, 1913
>teilhard and the pretext of jesuit darwinism for transhumanism

https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/n ... oundation/
from 'robberbarons' to 'philantropists'

best (in french)
-La fondation Rockefeller et la naissance de l'universalisme philanthropique américain
Par Ludovic Tournès https://shs.cairn.info/revue-critique-i ... 73?lang=fr

funny that
brothers of light or illuminati,
lucifer and the lightworks



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03 Dec 2024, 10:09 am

Dox47 wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
It's really impressive how Musk has engaged in such an aggressive campaign of highlighting his own stupidity.


Ahh, I see this must be about the trans stuff, as dispassionate and intellectually rigorous Walrus has left and Whacky Wally has entered the chat. Tell me, was there not a flicker of discomfort as you were typing out this screed about the richest man in the world, who happens to be the most successful business executive of our lifetimes, who just leveraged his purchase of a dysfunctional social media site into a seat at the most powerful table in the world, in which you repeatedly call him stupid? I have my issues with Elon, but stupid? Come on, buddy.

Yeah, he's obviously stupid. I think any dispassionate analysis has to notice that.

Peter Thiel is worse than Musk, but smarter. So is Dominic Cummings. So is Tom Cotton. So was Antonin Scalia. Musk is just a stupid guy.

If we want to go over his business record:
- Zip2 was an unmitigated success for which, by all accounts, he deserves a large share of the credit. Made him $22m when he sold his 7% share. Cool. Well done him.
- I don't think it would be especially controversial to say that the success of PayPal was despite Musk and largely due to Thiel)
- SpaceX had three successive failed launches that nearly bankrupted both Musk and the business, before a fourth (successful) launch won them a NASA contract.
- Tesla successfully turned electric cars into mass-market consumer goods after Musk's takeover.

Around the launch of the first Tesla vehicles, Musk's "real life Iron Man" internet persona began to take life. Tesla is now has a price-to-earnings ratio of about 100, compared to an average of about 25 for the "Magnificent Seven" (which includes Tesla) or about 4 for Volkswagen. It is hugely overvalued. If it had a comparable price-to-earnings ratio to Amazon or Meta or Alphabet, Musk wouldn't be the richest man in the world.

In the mean time, he's had a string of business ventures not work out: SolarCity was a failure, the Boring Company hasn't taken off, neither has Neuralink. The Hyperloop was a stupid idea. And at Twitter, he tanked revenue and is now tanking the userbase, and that's just the objective stuff. I'm pretty confident there are cheaper ways to get in Trump's good books, as evidenced by the people he's given real appointments to.

Is Musk the stupidest person alive? Clearly not. But he's gullible, foolish, and surrounds himself with yes-men.
For instance: https://youtu.be/3u8_fp1TtJE?t=105 (link skips the preamble, but tl;dr, Musk believed six lies on Twitter in 24 hours).

And, like, that's not an isolated thing with him. He's convinced ChatGPT could lead to a genocide of white people and that women can't think, or claiming that Paul Pelosi was attacked by a prostitute rather than someone looking to kidnap his wife. I already mentioned his posts about the Democrats importing voters, or about the UK's race riots over the summer. Smart people make mistakes sometimes, but they aren't aggressively wrong multiple times a day, and they don't accidentally tweet that antisemitism is warranted or that women are inherently stupid.

He's a stupid guy who is routinely tricked by fake news, doesn't think before he speaks, and has run multiple businesses into the ground. He is probably quite naturally intelligent, but his divorces and drug addictions have shattered him, and now he's functionally indistinguishable from a stupid person.



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03 Dec 2024, 3:42 pm

I don't care about a rich man's intelligence. If they lack morality, then their wealth is worth less than my life.


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03 Dec 2024, 3:50 pm

I found it amusing Musk was freaking out over people moving to Bluesky. FAFO. He bought Twitter and decided to make it a "freedom of speech" platform but censoring the leftist side and leave bigotry and hate speech but censor the marginalized about human rights for minorities. So people left X and moved to Bluesky since they were so unhappy. The right wing have their own platform now but are freaking out the people they hate are leaving the place?

They also moved over to bluesky as well but are mad they're being ignored by the right because they're not responding to their hate and bigotry. We all realized talking to them and arguing with them is pointless if they won't change their mind. So we leave them on the other side of the room while we stay on their side and they keep holloring at us about Trump and how crazy we are and we just not respond and let them speak their minds while ignoring them.

I mean hey free speech right where they thought free speech means not having people call you out on it and object to your opinion. So they got that finally and now it's "nobody, not like that."


This is just too funny.


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03 Dec 2024, 5:23 pm

It's funny how free speech absolutists rarely turn out to be fans of free speech broadly and usually reveal themselves just to be defenders of edgelords and bigots.


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