Vaccine scare

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Yawn. You disrespect other peoples opinions and then complain when someone doesn't bow down to yours. I am done talking with you. Good day

I was being really really nice. You are being insufferable and rude and shame on you. (Again, I'm being really nice instead of saying what I really think.) Also, the degree of misinformation that you have swallowed is staggering.

It's not just fruit loops, but cheaper brands of crisps that need monitoring.
DTP vaccine may cause issues as it's combined, perhaps if 3 vaccines were seperated it be better, but Laura knows more about it, but does get rubbed in with Vicks and cause issues for days afterwards. Combination makes unavailable singular choices for late vaccinations, age and subject to availability.
So that was my idea was how Kennedy could try fix vaccines, and decide if safer. Even new companies with ethics could go long way, Bayer is not a brand I trust as with many who witnessed morning sickness med issues. The fact that companies could show remorse is a factor.

I was reading some research about this earlier in the week that was an eye opener for me, I didn't really realize just how expansive and dangerously bad the food industry as a whole has become in the US and the world. You are correct, it isn't just fruit loops. America seems to produce some of the most toxic foods in the world, and there doesn't seem to be any logical reason as to why other than greed or some other nefarious purpose the common person isn't allowed to know.

I am hopeful that RFK Jr can make some positive changes in American health. He is going to need to do something different than his predecessors, otherwise it won't change anything. Fining these food and drug giants has done nothing, stopped anything, or even changed how they do business on bit. I'm hoping RFK goes through with his threat and arrests Gates and Fauci first thing. There have been reports of at least 1 semi secret meeting of the vaccine makers top leaders since it was confirmed by Trump that RFK Jr was his choice for Sec of Health. Supposedly they are panicked by what Kennedy has promised to do.

Oh, come on. It's true that there were rare cases of lethal blood clots, but you could have broken it to Bee a bit more gently than that.

Perhaps. Perhaps Bee should be more respectful to others and their opinions as well. It goes both ways.

There's nothing disrespectful from Bee on this thread. And it would be hard to find anything of the kind anywhere else.

Thank you for saying that ToughDiamond, but I've had my moments that are not too good...

That could be, though I've seen a lot of your posts and although they've sometimes contradicted other views a little bluntly, I never saw anything sarcastic or personal about them. I'd best go before I derail the thread any further.

Hmmm. Autism ("profound" or otherwise) used to be very much a predominantly white male thing. So, looks to me like a major source of the increase may be just an increase in diagnoses, not an increase in actual instances, among the other demographics.

I wonder how many of the people now being diagnosed with "profound autism" were previously diagnosed with just intellectual disability, global developmental delay, etc.

And for females misdiagnosed with hysteria. Or not diagnosed at all because often assessments were unavailable due to cost and lack of medical facilities in poor and minority neighborhoods

No offence, but that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen on this thread. Even the government-pharma complex (in the US and elsewhere) have shown by their own actions that they don’t believe in an assertion as extreme as the one you’ve made above.

Examples
The US ‘National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program’ has awarded $4.6 billion between 1986 and May 2023.
The AstraZeneca covid vaccine has been withdrawn worldwide in the last couple of years due to the risk of blood clots.
The Rotashield Rotavirus Vaccine was withdrawn in the US in 1999 due to being linked to an increased risk of intussusception.
The Lymerix Lyme Disease Vaccine was withdrawn in the US in 1998 due to side-effects such as arthritis-like symptoms
The 1975 Swine Flu vaccine was withdrawn in the US due to being linked to cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS).

And there are more. And these are just the cases that the government-pharma complex is willing to admit to.

It is amazing to me that you can come out with a statement as sweeping and as extreme as “vaccines are perfectly safe” when it’s something you cannot know for sure, and that you cannot prove, and that other people can so easily refute with a few counterexamples.

I don’t know why some people cannot understand that vaccines are merely another class of drugs, and saying they are all perfectly safe is just as ridiculous and extreme as saying all drugs are perfectly safe.

As far as I’m concerned, when I see statements as extreme as yours, it’s often because the person making them views questions about objective reality through the lens of partisan politics or in terms of what they think “good” people are supposed to believe.

Vaccines are safer than the diseases they prevent.

But with RFK Jr. in charge, we may eventually have no vaccines at all . . . only chlorine bleach, ivermectin, and grandma's chicken soup.

I invested in Pfizer back in Fall of 2023, I think it was. It was the first stock I ever picked, and man did I lose a lot of money on that dog. Tons of haters on the Yahoo stock forum for Pfizer, and a lot of vaccine deniers too.

People actually hate Pfizer. That surprised me.

I did a little googling and did find some cases that seem tied to vaccines. But, you can't administer millions of doses without impacting some of the people adversely. Some people are sensitive, that's my belief. Who? Who knows? They have some variation in their immune system most likely.

Anyway, don't invest in Pfizer. They have a lot of patent expirations hitting next year.

I don't think we can ever say, "This or that is completely safe," because there is nothing safe in this world, everything is out to get us.

I took the COVID vaccine 3x with no worries because I have taken vaccines all my life and do not worry about it. If it kills me, it kills me is my philosophy.

I knew a guy out at work that refused the vaccine and died

As for Robert Kennedy, I think he will focus on getting his messages out. Other than that, he declared processed foods are the enemy, and I think that's something everybody except Monsanto can get behind.

If people do not want to take vaccines, I think that is OK. It should be voluntary and up to parents whether their kids get it. Everything is a bet, my bet is on vaccines, maybe the other bet wins in the end.

One thing is for sure, we have had a bumper crop of autism past thirty years, and why? Who really knows, other than modern society has made a hundred different changes to the human lifestyle. It could very well be that fluoride in the water is not a great idea, mainly the U.S. does that. So if you want fluoride in your water, guess what, you can add it yourself at the tap, buy a device from Wal-Mart if it keeps you up at night.

I bet fluoride in the water is responsible for a lot of hip fractures in older people.

I got the Covid vaccine 3 times, but would have avoided the AstraZeneca type because I knew about the rare blood clot cases. It would have been no big issue to take it if that's all they had, because the risk was no greater than the risk for a lot of medical interventions. But in the USA where I was, it was just a matter of looking up the data and choosing a pharmacist that offered something else, so I felt there was no sense in taking an easily avoidable risk of something lethal, however tiny the risk was.

Meanwhile in the UK, you more or less got what you were given AFAIK, though I guess you sometimes had the option of waiting for the one you preferred to come out. That might have meant being unvaccinated for some time, but that wasn't very risky for me because I quarantined myself, and I did so very carefully till I could get the shots. Being retired there was never a need for me to go out to work, and WalMart had kerbside delivery for food, for no extra charge, so I never had to go in their poxy store. Fortunately Mrs.TD and I are good at being walled up alive together.

The numbers are interesting. In the UK, 95% of people had at least one shot, and 85% fully vaccinated, while in the US it was about 75% and 65%. So it seems there was something political going on, and if so I think it was a shame. The US had Trump saying Covid was nothing, while in the UK, although we similarly had a right-wing populist running the country (Boris), he didn't quite go that far. Me, I don't believe politicians, even the Labour ones, and I even take the words of health professionals with a pinch of salt. They dented their credibility when they admitted they'd changed their advice on masks for ulterior reasons.

My arm was sore for a few days but it looks like I survived the SpikeVax shot ten days ago. I also had a flu shot as well. Insurance paid for both shots.
A couple of my friends have had Covid in the last few months and taken Plaxovid to recover faster.