Controversy - Israeli character in Captain America movie

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01 Jan 2025, 8:20 pm

Captain America: Brave New World

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Captain America: Brave New World is scheduled to be released in the United States on February 14, 2025, as part of Phase Five of the MCU.

At the D23 Expo in September, Danny Ramirez and Carl Lumbly were announced to be reprising their respective roles of Joaquin Torres / Falcon and Isaiah Bradley from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier; Tim Blake Nelson was set to return as Samuel Sterns / Leader from the second MCU film, The Incredible Hulk (2008); and Israeli actress Shira Haas was revealed to have been cast as the comic book character Sabra.

The announcement that Sabra, an Israeli superheroine, would be adapted for the film led to criticisms from some people who believed this would lead to negative stereotypical portrayals of Palestinians and Arabs; in the comics, Sabra is a member of the Mossad and some of the Arab characters she interacts with were perceived to be misogynistic, antisemitic, and violent.The name "Sabra" also has different meanings to Israeli Jews and Palestinians. The Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel criticized the use of the character and called the comic book version's "valorization of Mossad" and perceived racism against Palestinians "sickening". Yousef Munayyer, a Palestinian-American writer and analyst, felt the character could not have a positive role in the film based on her depiction in the comics and said turning Israeli spies into heroes was "insensitive and disgraceful". In response, Marvel Studios said the film was taking a new approach to the character, just as other comics characters had been re-imagined for modern audiences when brought into the MCU.This led to concerns from some other groups that Marvel was "erasing" the character's Israeli background, which the American Jewish Committee (AJC) compared to "making Captain America Canadian". In the film, the character is a former Black Widow and high-ranking U.S. government official named Ruth Bat-Seraph. The name Sabra is not used, but the character is depicted as Israeli and has an Israeli accent. The character's inclusion prompted some calls to boycott the film, in part due to the Israel–Hamas war; some supporters of Israel took issue with the character having allegiance to the U.S. government, while some who opposed Israel protested the film's use of the character due to her depiction in the comics. With confirmation that the character would still be depicted as Israeli in the film, the AJC and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) both praised the decision.


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01 Jan 2025, 9:31 pm

Lolololzz..this is precious depicting Sabra as a super anything...Am staring to think the character was intended Satirically.
? Possibly as a Drunken Israeli Super something... But they prolly figured that Americans are not familiar with Israeli
culture .. Little insight for those not aware that " Sabra" is the name of a long term well known Israeli Liqour .

maybe a Super Johnny Walker , with his brothers black and Red, would be new comic book hero or bring back Super
Budman . Comic book heroes can be such fun. Personally am waiting for Super Smirnoff .To get a leading Comic book hero role.


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01 Jan 2025, 10:21 pm

Jakki wrote:
Lolololzz..this is precious depicting Sabra as a super anything...Am staring to think the character was intended Satirically.
? Possibly as a Drunken Israeli Super something... But they prolly figured that Americans are not familiar with Israeli
culture .. Little insight for those not aware that " Sabra" is the name of a long term well known Israeli Liqour .

maybe a Super Johnny Walker , with his brothers black and Red, would be new comic book hero or bring back Super
Budman . Comic book heroes can be such fun. Personally am waiting for Super Smirnoff .To get a leading Comic book hero role.


Sabra in Israel means native born Israeli. Several companies use it in their name like companies located in New York have New York in their name.

The article claims that Sabra has a different meaning for Palestinians. I can find nothing referencing that but I would guess it would be referencing the 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinians in a refugee camp. Israel was invading Lebanon at the time and their Christian allies carried out the massacre.


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02 Jan 2025, 12:20 am

Sorry my misunderstanding but my,late husband kept a bottle of Sabra for special occassions, So consequently the only reference for Sabra for me is alchohol...lololzzz curious for a Super hero, even if being named for a massacre .. :roll:


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02 Jan 2025, 9:11 am

Jakki wrote:
Sorry my misunderstanding but my,late husband kept a bottle of Sabra for special occassions, So consequently the only reference for Sabra for me is alchohol...lololzzz curious for a Super hero, even if being named for a massacre .. :roll:

It is named for native-born Israelis, not for the massacre. I need to repeat it is me that tied the name Sabra to a massacre as a guess.

I would not expect most people not Israeli automatically know what Sabra means.

You are not the only one literally ignorant on this matter. It turns out "Sabra" is the name of the neighborhood in Beruit where the massacre occurred.


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15 Feb 2025, 5:46 pm

Not the only casting controversy

Anthony Mackie is the 1st Black on-screen 'Captain America.' Why his historic role is controversial.

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Anthony Mackie taking on the role of Captain America, a fictional comic book character initially portrayed as a white man with blond hair and blue eyes, isn’t groundbreaking to comic books fans.

The idea of a Black man as the patriotic superhero was introduced in 1998 by writer Mark Waid in the comic book “Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty,” where, according to Waid, Sam Wilson first “picked up the costume and took on the identity of Captain America.”

Over two decades after Sam Wilson became Cap in the comics, a Black Captain America in the movie adaptations has turned into a contentious topic.

The issue of a Black Captain America in the Marvel Cinematic Universe first arose after Chris Evans, who portrayed Cap on-screen for eight years, passed the mantle on to Mackie’s Falcon in 2019’s “Avengers: Endgame.” Fans were upset with Evans’ departure and some felt Mackie wasn’t capable of taking on the superpowered role.

Though some eventually warmed up to the idea after seeing him in the 2021 critically acclaimed Disney+ series, “Falcon and the Winter Soldier,” where Mackie’s Falcon grapples with the complicated notion of what it means for a Black man to be Captain America, the vitriol against actor ramped back up during his press run for “Captain America: Brave New World.”

During a Q&A in January, fans threatened to boycott the film and Mackie because of his comments on what he thinks Captain America represents that some deemed unpatriotic.

“Captain America represents a lot of different things, and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations. It’s about a man who keeps his word and who has honor, dignity, and integrity. Someone who is trustworthy and dependable. This is like an aspect of a dream coming true,” the actor said at the time.

Following the backlash, Mackie has since clarified his comments online and in interviews, saying he’s a “proud American,” and that Captain America is “important for kids of all races” so they can have someone to look up to regardless of their race.

Speaking to TODAY.com about some fans’ mixed reaction following the first teaser of him as Cap, Mackie, 46, says he wasn’t “aware” that a Black Captain America had become so controversial.

“I think that’s funny, because we all call ourselves comic book fans, right? We all call ourselves comic book nerds, right? So if the comic book says, Sam Wilson becomes Captain America, then Sam Wilson becomes Captain America,” Mackie says pragmatically.

Though Mackie says he “didn’t have any hesitations” taking on the role in the MCU, Waid — who introduced the idea of Falcon becoming the first Black Captain America in the comics — admits there was “a little bit of resistance” from Marvel when he pitched it in the ‘90s.

“Not because anybody disbelieved the message,” Waid, 62, tells TODAY.com. “Not because anybody at Marvel was on the wrong side of history here, but just because when you’re dealing with a corporate character like that it’s going to go through many creators hands over his 80 years of existence.”

But Waid’s goal wasn’t just to make sure the comic’s core readers were satisfied, it was also to authentically portray the Black experience. To do this, the comic book writer says he spoke to his real-life Black friends who made him see a different perspective of America, which included sentiments of “racial hatred” and “bigotry.”

“‘There is more of this going on than you realize … so just be mindful of that as you go into the story,’” he recalls them saying.

Within Marvel, Waid says his story of Falcon taking on the mantle of Captain America “was very well received.” But externally, he says there was “a little bit of pushback” from fandom and readers, with some saying, ‘‘Well, this is not Captain America. I don’t know what you’re trying to say.”

Looking back, Waid says the pushback by fans wasn’t so severe that he recalls “receiving any hate mail” about it. But he suspects that if he had done this story today, “people would be screaming DEI at us at the top of their lungs without knowing what they’re talking about.”

Waid notes that over the last 10 to 15 years, “There’s been a lot more trolling, a lot more blow back. A lot of organized fandom full of angry white guys who are not happy that they are being quote, unquote, eclipsed by people of color, which is bulls--t.”

The tenured comic book writer says it comes as no surprise that some fans are upset and even threatening to boycott Marvel’s TV shows and the movies, because “these are the same people who were up in arms about the comics.”

“Luckily, they have been a small enough part of the audience where we didn’t have to take them into account,” he explains. “It’s not like we lost tons of sales because these trolls were out there being actively, performatively angry about the replacement of Captain America by a Black man in a comic book. They weren’t buying the comics anyway. They were just looking for something to be mad about.”

Waid’s introduction of Sam Wilson (Falcon) as Captain America in the comic “Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty #9” unfolds in a time of “great racial divide” in America.

Steve Rogers (Captain America) is trying to disassociate himself from white supremacists (Sons of Serpents) who are co-opting his name and image because they believe that Cap represents their cause, Waid explains.

“‘He’s a blonde white guy with a strong jaw. He’s showing you that this is what America should be,’” he says of their sentiments toward Rogers — who, during his fight to stop them, appears to get killed. It’s at this juncture that “Sam Wilson realizes that someone has to pick up the mantle, someone has to pick up the shield, and someone has to fight to clear the name of Captain America.”

While the film is not exactly like the comics, there are similarities. The film follows Falcon’s fight to uncover a villainous plot against President Thaddeus Ross (Harrison Ford) while also helping to exonerate Isaiah Bradley (Carl Lumbly) — a war vet who is turned into a Super Soldier after undergoing human testings by the government — who was accused of being involved. Some fans have argued that Bradley is the first Black Captain America since he took the Super Solider serum like Cap. Mackie says Sam’s sense of integrity and dedication to justice is what he leans into and tries to embody with his titular role.

“One thing that I’ve always wanted to portray with Sam, and make the focal point of that conversation, is the fact that he’s the best part of all of us,” Mackie tells TODAY.com. “Sam didn’t take the (Super Soldier) serum. Sam isn’t a Super Soldier. He’s just a good human being, and I think that’s why we all kind of are endeared to him and kind of appreciate him, because we can see the best of us in him.”

Since its first publication in March 1941, Waid says Captain America has had a simple, altruistic purpose: he represented the American dream and showed that it was attainable. But he says Cap’s mission has “changed” over the years.

“America was the land of opportunity,” Waid tells TODAY.com. “And clearly it has not always been that way for some people … And I think that Captain America today stands for equality. He stands for making sure that anyone in this country has an opportunity at bettering themselves and has an opportunity to have the best life possible — if they’re willing to put the work into it.”

And Anthony Mackie has put that work in with his over two decades in Hollywood and 10 years playing Sam Wilson. Still, even with his tenure, there will still be those who take issue with there being a Black Captain America.

Mackie even gave a nod to the pressure of taking on Cap’s mantle in the film. In an exchange with President Ross following the attack on his life, Mackie’s Sam tells the president that he overwhelmingly understands what he’s going through.

“I know what it’s like to feel you have something to prove,” he says.

Later in the film, Mackie is seen grappling with his past decision to reject the Super Soldier serum and also the pressure that he’s under if he fails his mission.

“If I’m not on point, I let everyone who wants a seat at that table down,” he says to his First Lieutenant Joaquin Torres (Danny Ramirez), who takes on Sam’s former mantle of Falcon. “That’s pressure. It makes you feel that you’re not enough.”

The “Captain America” comic book writer says there’s always been room for the character to change, evolve and represent something more inclusive.

“Captain America can be an Asian man. Captain America can be a woman. Captain America could be anyone who stands for the ideals that Captain America stands for,” Waid explains, noting that he hopes Cap’s fight eventually “gets easier.”

“As long as they’re an American at heart and fight for the American way … the way we wish truly was the dream as opposed to what racism and bigotry has sort of poisoned that well.”

Mackie agrees, noting that his Captain America leads with two important things: “Compassion and empathy.”

“I feel like today, we could all use a little compassion and empathy,” he adds.


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15 Feb 2025, 5:59 pm

so whatever way you go marvel you'll be alienating a lot of people and get boycotted :lol:

you could just not have the character in the movie



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16 Feb 2025, 3:08 am

For Americans Anthony Mackie's casting as Cap is 100x more controversial > some random Israeli dude nobody cares about.

aaand we know why. the usual reasons.



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17 Feb 2025, 6:04 am

According to Google AI:

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The name Sabra comes from the Arabic word ṣābir (صَابِر), which means "patient" or "steadfast". In Islam, sabr (صَبْرٌ) is one of the two parts of faith, along with shukr. Sabr literally means "endurance" or "perseverance".

The name Sabra may also refer to a Hebrew word that means "cactus fruit". It comes from the Hebrew word tzabar, which refers to the prickly pear cactus that grows in the desert. In Modern Hebrew, the terms tzabar and tzabarim refer to any Jew born in Israel.


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17 Feb 2025, 6:09 am

cyberdora wrote:
For Americans Anthony Mackie's casting as Cap is 100x more controversial > some random Israeli dude nobody cares about.

aaand we know why. the usual reasons.

Any controversy in the US is related to comments the actor made on Twitter:

https://x.com/dbongino/status/1884233444881989769?mx=2

The mere idea of casting a black actor in this role would seem perfectly normal to almost all Americans.


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17 Feb 2025, 3:39 pm

MaxE wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
For Americans Anthony Mackie's casting as Cap is 100x more controversial > some random Israeli dude nobody cares about.

aaand we know why. the usual reasons.

Any controversy in the US is related to comments the actor made on Twitter:

https://x.com/dbongino/status/1884233444881989769?mx=2

The mere idea of casting a black actor in this role would seem perfectly normal to almost all Americans.


I've watched half a dozen videocasts from Marvel content creators with 1-3million subscribers. their only two complaints with his casting is a) there's only one cap, that's Chris Evans and b) his casting is woke. Nobody cares about some obscure comment Mackie made, the real issues are a) and b).



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Yesterday, 1:42 am

Anthony Mackie nailed it as Captain America.