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It also definitely makes sense though for Trump to start doing punishing Tariffs on Canada to get them to drop the woke and get them to get in-line with the new North American system that's frankly and hopefully going to be built around MAGA social-conservatism, and it's already gotten Justin Trudeau off of the catwalk.
I think it makes sense if there's going to be a successful MAGA system in the USA, there can't be such a hostile "Woke" power like Canada still operating like this in America's own backyard, that's already said it's going to do targeted retaliatory tariffs on red-state voters and measures like this just to try and get Trump out (thus showing it's true hand and the true nature of this fight... and which is also going to fail)... but like I said, Trump putting tariffs on Canada will force Carney-barker into a higher state of stress, which puts the liberal regime in Canada under higher tension and all this, which eventually makes it to where Canada may ultimately fall like a ripe fruit into the Trumpian-MAGA-conservative system in some time.
So Canada would be better off with the United States healthcare system? Don't make me laugh.
It has really nothing to do with healthcare whether-or-not Trump has the power to drum Canada out of the Woke and into the MAGA orbit, in forming a new regional bloc based around one general principle and value.... (he probably does)
I actually think it's pretty unfair how the USA consistently subsidizes a lot of countries to the hilt like Israel and pays for all their stuff that have complete and total universal healthcare, when so many US citizens fully go without in these regards, and many of these satellite countries seem fully ungrateful.
Do you think the U.S.A. should have universal heathcare? What kind of healthcare system would you like to see in the U.S.A.?
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"a lot of", "many of these"...

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You have a very low opinion of the American public! I can understand the pessimism after how they screwed up the 2024 election, but they also already gave Trump a major kicking in 2020 after he screwed up the economy there. Now he's screwing up even more, it's very hard to imagine the Republicans still holding power after the next election. The Americans might have memories like goldfish, but they can be relied upon to kick out the President if they think he's making them poorer.
And it's obviously stupid to think that tariffs are a sensible way of forcing another country to adopt stupid social policies. It's no secret that tariffs primarily hurt the country applying them. Trump's attacks on Canada have caused the popularity of the Conservative Party of Canada to tumble, and somehow the Liberals are going to win another term despite their popularity being calamitously low before Trump came in. Trump's incompetent attacks on centrists are only harming the MAGA cause and are ultimately going to cause North America to become more woke.
People in America "voted out" Trump because of the Covid-hostage situation in 2020, but once the Democrats returned it clearly became clear they weren't serious and all that to do with "crushing the virus" and all this was a lot of nonsense. That's why they and Karmela that did nothing are gone again like in a stiff-breeze.
I see absolutely nothing about any current Democrat, at-all, and all their current strategies that shows they have changed their ways or have any kind of new seriousness.
I'm old enough to remember the 2008 election where Obama's landslide victory was a sure thing and the main crux issue was Healthcare, and while Obama didn't directly say it he had all the honeyed words that basically heavily hinted that he was going to do National Health Care in the USA. Once he became elected though, everything about his tone and tempo changed and he completely shriveled up overnight, and his "Universal Health Care" shrunk to the punishing Individual Mandate, and Obamacare coverage you only qualify for if you hardly work and only have partial-time income.
It's not a surprise after this kind of selling-out that was clearly intentional, in every subsequent election, the supposed liberal "policy platforms" of the Democrats have counted for nothing, and despite all their haranguing that "policy is the only thing that matters," they can't get people to vote on policy. It's seen as utterly irrelevant, and also meaningless compared to Trumps' governance-by-fiat style. After 2008, it's "boy who cried wolf" from the liberals, in my opinion.
Oh yeah, and if Trump and MAGA are strong enough at home, they can fully corral Canada into a new system in the Western Hemisphere, if they want to. Trump wasn't strong enough in his first term as there were still a lot of neo-con RINO sellouts in congress, but now; who knows. (hahaha)
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I don't believe that's his goal, given his approach is nearly the polar opposite of the sort of diplomatic approach needed to create something like the EU.
Imagine if the EU was formed by Germany and France threatening to annex nations in order to coerce them into joining.
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I don't believe that's his goal, given his approach is nearly the polar opposite of the sort of diplomatic approach needed to create something like the EU.
Imagine if the EU was formed by Germany and France threatening to annex nations in order to coerce them into joining.
He seems diametrically opposed to anything like a European Union. He showed that when he destroyed NAFTA.
Threatening and bullying our neighbors does absolutely no good for the U.S.A. It benefits only Russia and China, by destroying our longstanding alliance with Canada.
We need to be on friendly terms with our neighbors. Otherwise, our neighbors will seek friends elsewhere.
Trump's behavior is totally counterproductive to U.S. interests, and is all the more reason to suspect him of being a Russian agent.
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Obamacare certainly left a lot to be desired, but it DID include some vitally important improvements, such as:
1) Not allowing insurance companies to discriminate against people with "pre-existing conditions."
2) The Medicaid expansion. Unfortunately, many Republican-dominated states refused this.
3) The option for states to offer an Essential Plan to people with low income but not low enough to qualify for even the expanded Medicaid. Again, though, if you lived in a red state, you were out of luck.
However, if you favor more government involvement in medical care (or at least in paying for it), then supporting Republicans instead of Democrats is like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
Ever since the 1930's, one of the main goals of the Republican donor class has been to weaken, and if possible dismantle, FDR's reforms and all subsequent government-funded social programs. The Republicans have never gotten very far with this goal because it's so unpopular, but, whereas the Democratic Party has been giving only lip service to further healthcare reform, the Republican Party is fundamentally opposed to it. So I don't understand why anyone who favors any further government involvement in healthcare would vote Republican.
To get the Democratic Party to move beyond lip service, what is needed is more grassroots involvement in the left wing of the Democratic Party, and in non-partisan activist organizations that specifically agitate for better healthcare.
Oh yeah, and if Trump and MAGA are strong enough at home, they can fully corral Canada into a new system in the Western Hemisphere, if they want to.
And just how would this accomplish any good thing for any of us???
For decades, the U.S.A. and Canada have been on friendly terms, with a deeply rooted military alliance (e.g. via NORAD). Trump is screwing this up, which puts us all in HUGE danger.
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The youtuber is saying two things that conflict with each other. Trump does things without thinking. Trump won’t invade Canada.
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Canada: Unsung Heroes of 9/11
Often referred to as "Operation Yellow Ribbon," it was the aid that came from Canada to take the inbound international flights that remains a largely untold story.
In order to defend the United States from further attacks, Transport Canada worked with its U.S. counterpart, the Federal Aviation Administration, to accept U.S.-bound international flights and provide refuge to travelers on that chaotic day. The agencies worked together to land the planes in isolated and protected areas such as towns like Gander, Newfoundland.
According to reports, Gander had a population of just 10,000 and yet it was to play host to the passengers of 38 jumbo jets, nearly 7,000 people in all.
Though the exact number of passengers varies from each source, Transport Canada has estimated that over 33,000 passengers on 224 flights arrived in Canada that day. After the initial task of diverting the flights was over, thousands of passengers had to be cared for and given food and shelter. Many towns like Gander did not have the hotel space to support the new population of stranded passengers. As a result, many of the passengers took shelter in gyms and schools -- and even in the homes of the town's residents. Many of the Canadian airports even took care of the stranded passenger's communication needs as well. Vancouver International Airport reported fielding hundreds of calls to family members to help ease the minds of loved ones.
The impression Canadian hospitality made on the stranded passengers was so great that many of them returned to Gander and other towns in later years to reconnect with "old friends." The quick response time Canada displayed on 9/11 is often credited to the experience of Canadian military personnel working with the U.S. in the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD.
Established in 1958, the bi-national command has been the "eyes and ears" of North America defending against external airborne threats. Since 9/11 the Canadian-American command has made great strides in improving readiness against all airborne threats regardless of origin. These improvements include greater visibility of domestic airspace, improved communications and exercises that test our mutual defenses.
Canadian Caper
When the Iranian Revolution, which toppled the U.S.-backed regime of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, took a solid hold in early 1979, Canadian Ambassador Ken Taylor and his embassy staff in Tehran scurried to evacuate the 850 Canadian workers from Iran. Having accomplished that, they processed thousands of applications for visas from Iranians anxious to flee the country. Meanwhile, Islamist militants stormed the U.S embassy on November 5, taking 66 Americans hostage. Iran’s new ruler, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, made their release dependent on the extradition of the shah (who was in a New York hospital) to Iran. As the so-called Iran hostage crisis unfolded, 14 hostages (women, African Americans, and a gravely ill individual) were released, leaving 52 Americans hostage.
Six other Americans who had escaped the militants’ notice asked for the Canadian embassy’s help and got it instantly, with the full backing of Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark and Foreign Affairs Minister Flora MacDonald. Two of the fugitives were sheltered by Taylor in the ambassador’s home; four hid in the residence of John Sheardown, the top Canadian immigration official in Iran, from whom the Americans had first sought help and who had replied, “Hell, yes. Of course. Count on us.” The Canadians also offered to take in any and all of Tehran’s foreign correspondents should they get into trouble with the unpredictable revolutionaries.
Canada’s American houseguests hoped for a quick end to their exile, but the days and weeks stretched on. Meanwhile, the dangerous threat of exposure grew. Jean Pelletier, the Washington correspondent of the Montreal newspaper, La Presse, was the first to figure out what was happening, but, though he had been presented with a career-making scoop and was encouraged by the paper’s managing editor to break the story immediately, Pelletier refused to do so.
Once it was determined that an escape had to be attempted, the CIA slipped into Iran to arrange with the Canadians the removal of the six Americans. The Canadian embassy staff, in small groups, quietly returned home, as preparations were made to close the embassy. Tehran’s Mehrabad Airport was carefully scouted. Canadian passports and identity documents were arranged for the six Americans. With the help of people from the motion picture industry, the CIA had cooked up a scheme in which the six Americans were to pose as members of a film crew scouting locations in Tehran for a fictitious Hollywood science-fiction movie called Argo. Who else but filmmakers, the CIA’s planners figured, would go to Iran in the midst of a revolution? On January 27, 1980, the “film crew” navigated its way nervously through the airport and onto an early morning flight to Frankfurt. Later that day, Taylor and the remaining Canadians shut the embassy down and left Iran.
In the wake of the daringly successful escape, the United States celebrated Canada and Taylor. “Thank You, Canada” signs proliferated, letters of gratitude poured into Ottawa, and the U.S. Congress struck a gold medal in the ambassador’s honor. The CIA’s role did not become public until 1997. Argo (2012), the real-life motion picture directed by Ben Affleck that tells the story of the Canadian Caper, won an Academy Award for best picture.
Trump tariffs ignore Canadian sacrifices
Do Americans even know where Flanders Fields are or what happened there?
Some of the most intense battles of World War I took place on Flanders Fields in western Belgium. About 1 million soldiers were wounded, went missing, or were killed in action. Entire cities and villages were destroyed.
Canadian officer and surgeon John McCrae wrote those haunting lines in one of the most famous wartime poems in history to honor the Americans, Canadians, French, German, Belgian and British soldiers who died on Flanders Fields.
Canada’s enduring bond with the United States might not mean much to an American president who can’t understand selfless behavior. Trump famously referred to the American WWI dead buried not far from Flanders Fields as “suckers” and “losers,” according to his former chief of staff, retired four-star Marine General John Kelly.
But it does mean something to the U.S. troops who have fought and died alongside Canadians for generations, most recently in Afghanistan.
More than 40,000 Canadians served in Afghanistan, and 159 Canadian soldiers were killed in action. Canada’s contribution and 12-year commitment to what became the longest war in its history was estimated at more than $18 billion.
Joint Task Force Two, Canada’s equivalent of SEAL Team Six, was part of a unit that received a U.S. Presidential Unit Citation for actions in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2002. JTF2 captured Taliban leaders and climbed in caves hunting for terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. Details of those missions remain shrouded in secrecy.
Bob Harward, a Navy SEAL who commanded Task Force K-Bar in Afghanistan and rose to the rank of vice admiral, said that his JTF2 team was his first choice for any direct action mission.
Five Canadian snipers received the U.S. Bronze Star Medal for Valor. The five “destroyed al-Qaeda firing positions, saved American lives, and tallied a body count unmatched by any Canadian soldier of their generation,” McLeans reported. In one of the longest confirmed kills in history, Canadian Rob Furlong took out an al Qaeda fighter from 2,430 meters (nearly 8,000 feet).
“Thank God the Canadians were there,” one American soldier said.
This is why we have allies, isn’t it?
Four Canadian soldiers killed in a friendly fire incident in 2002 also received the Bronze Star. An American Air National Guard pilot dropped a 500-pound bomb on Canadian troops while they were conducting a night-firing exercise near Kandahar. Canadians weren’t happy about it, but they acknowledged that these kinds of mistakes happen when you answer a close friend’s call to arms.
The next time Trump or another president needs Canada’s help to fight our enemies, will our friends and neighbors to the north be so quick to answer the call?
This is the thanks they get not only the tariffs but the incessant belittling not only by Trump but by members of his administration.
Kristi Noem Takes Bizarre Revenge on Canadians at Library She Used as a Stunt
Haskell Free Library and Opera House straddles the border—it’s half in Stanstead, Quebec, and half in Derby Line, Vermont.
Although the primary entrance is technically on the American side, the library has long been treated as a neutral zone, where citizens of either country were able to enter as they pleased. As part of the agreement, U.S. border officers patrolled the area around the library and were authorized to search people’s bags.
However, American border patrol officers are planning to ban entry to Canadians through the library’s main entrance unless they first enter the U.S. through an official border crossing point, the president of the library’s board told the CBC.
Earlier this month, Noem visited the library and pushed her boss’ talking points in a bizarre stunt.
She reportedly stepped back and forth across the border within the library. On the American side, wearing a grin, she said, “U.S.A. No. 1.” And on the Canadian side, Noem said, “The 51st state.”
As long as I can remember there have been times when this country has done things that angered me, that embarrassed me. But I have never been embarrassed to be an American. Until now.
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Obamacare certainly left a lot to be desired, but it DID include some vitally important improvements, such as:
1) Not allowing insurance companies to discriminate against people with "pre-existing conditions."
2) The Medicaid expansion. Unfortunately, many Republican-dominated states refused this.
3) The option for states to offer an Essential Plan to people with low income but not low enough to qualify for even the expanded Medicaid. Again, though, if you lived in a red state, you were out of luck.
However, if you favor more government involvement in medical care (or at least in paying for it), then supporting Republicans instead of Democrats is like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
Ever since the 1930's, one of the main goals of the Republican donor class has been to weaken, and if possible dismantle, FDR's reforms and all subsequent government-funded social programs. The Republicans have never gotten very far with this goal because it's so unpopular, but, whereas the Democratic Party has been giving only lip service to further healthcare reform, the Republican Party is fundamentally opposed to it. So I don't understand why anyone who favors any further government involvement in healthcare would vote Republican.
To get the Democratic Party to move beyond lip service, what is needed is more grassroots involvement in the left wing of the Democratic Party, and in non-partisan activist organizations that specifically agitate for better healthcare.
Oh yeah, and if Trump and MAGA are strong enough at home, they can fully corral Canada into a new system in the Western Hemisphere, if they want to.
And just how would this accomplish any good thing for any of us???
For decades, the U.S.A. and Canada have been on friendly terms, with a deeply rooted military alliance (e.g. via NORAD). Trump is screwing this up, which puts us all in HUGE danger.
Thank you for the substantive reply; It just seemed like for Trump's first four years, they sabotaged Trump terribly and weren't going to let him do anything no-matter-what to get any kind of policy win; and like with John McCain's infamous thumbs-down vote on health care that the entire US Deep-State was gloating about and slapped themselves on the back over.... Like with how they completely didn't let him build "The Wall," even just symbolically, even though more-or-less, most of the Democrats were about building border-walls before and were about building border-walls later and Karmela had Border Walls as part of her campaign adverts, of all things.
I can actually get into a way more substantive and detailed discussion about all this, but long-story-short I basically think the Democrats had two chances with Bill Clinton and Obama to get real substantive generational reform that would set themselves up for decades like Attlee did in Britain or Mitterrand in France, and both of these times when they had what looked to be a generational President they completely and utterly blew it and did absolutely nothing. Obama, especially, like I laid about above, did absolutely nothing, and even what you described with Obamacare just frankly wasn't anywhere close to enough, and that is why now Trump as a proposition is "fine" for people, in my opinion.
I can actually get into a way more substantive and detailed discussion about all this, but long-story-short I basically think the Democrats had two chances with Bill Clinton and Obama to get real substantive generational reform that would set themselves up for decades like Attlee did in Britain or Mitterrand in France, and both of these times when they had what looked to be a generational President they completely and utterly blew it and did absolutely nothing. Obama, especially, like I laid about above, did absolutely nothing, and even what you described with Obamacare just frankly wasn't anywhere close to enough,
No, it wasn't enough, but it definitely DID improve my life. I was on an Essential Plan for quite a few years, during which I would not have been able to get any kind of health insurance otherwise. (Alas, Essential Plans were option to be offered at the discretion of individual state governments, and hence was probably available only in well-to-do blue states like New York.)
If improved health care is important to you, then why on Earth do you think a Republican -- any Republican -- is "fine"?
Both the Republicans and the Democrats are dominated by the ultra-rich, but the Republicans are the ones who actively push for things like tax cuts for the ultra-rich and, to that end, cutting nearly all government services. The Democrats are the only ones who give even lip service to things like a better health care. It needs to be more than lip service, but the way to get that is not by joining the Republicans, but by supporting grassroots political activism within both the left wing of the Democratic Party and outside of the electoral political parties.
Anyhow, to bring this back onto the main topic of this thread: How can you not see Trump's behavior toward our neighbors as totally irresponsible? How on Earth can you, or anyone, even remotely imagine that it benefits the U.S.A. in any way whatsoever???
As I wrote earlier:
Threatening and bullying our neighbors does absolutely no good for the U.S.A. It benefits only Russia and China, by destroying our longstanding alliance with Canada.
We need to be on friendly terms with our neighbors. Otherwise, our neighbors will seek friends elsewhere.
Trump's behavior is totally counterproductive to U.S. interests, and is all the more reason to suspect him of being a Russian agent.
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My most honest answer is that I've been extremely dissatisfied with "woke" Establishment Western leadership for my entire life and all they've been doing, and I agree 100% WHOLEHEARTEDLY with what Trump is doing. I was with him from Day 1 when he first came "Down the Escalator," and seriously, that has never wavered.
A lot of the policy stuff is for me more like the difference between the weather and the climate... like on the "Policy," the weather can be so hot or so cold on a certain day, but supporting Trump is effectively voting for the Climate in my opinion and the long-term tone.
I think the "Woke" government of Canada like with Trudeau has definitely been saboteurs against Trump, like with Obama and Hillary and spying on Trump through a microwave, and all they did against Trump like with Russiagate and starting to accuse him of being a Russian asset in the first place... I'm actually not surprised after 10 years of this and these kinds of accusations, that this kind of thing is the result where they've pushed him into this camp where he now sees this cabal of "The Western Woke" as the true enemy..... For me if this is what he's really waging a war against with all this, I fully agree.
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