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What are your views on abortion?
I'm prolife 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
I'm prochoice 62%  62%  [ 23 ]
I'm prochoice with limitations 8%  8%  [ 3 ]
I'm prolife with limitations 14%  14%  [ 5 ]
Unsure/no opinion 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 37

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30 Jul 2010, 10:43 pm

I'm just curious to see where many in this forum stand on the abortion issue.


I define myself as 100% prochoice. I believe abortion should be legal at any time and for any reason. Nonetheless...I admit that i'm not 100% comfortable with my position and I still engage in some internal debate over it.

I personally will not defend my position here though. I have done so countless times and I have neither the time nor desire to defend it every single time someone asks me to.

Though it's not necessary, i'd also appreciate your reasoning as to why you're prochoice, prolife, or somewhere in between or beyond.



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31 Jul 2010, 12:35 am

I'm pro-choice as well, but I could live with bans on late-term abortion as long as those bans provide exceptions, like if continuing the pregnancy would pose serious health risks for the mother.

One of the main reasons I am pro-choice is because I feel the life and well-being of a fully-grown woman takes precedence over that of an unborn fetus. Also, at the moment, most scientists agree that a fetus has to be at least 20 weeks old in order to perceive any pain.

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The accepted hypothesis of the means by which pain is perceived states that it requires certain physical structures and operations. These are not formed in fetuses until 20 weeks or more. The general consensus of the scientific community at this time is that only fetuses of this age or older are capable of perceiving pain.


Actual article itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_pain



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31 Jul 2010, 12:58 am

Descartes wrote:
I'm pro-choice as well, but I could live with bans on late-term abortion as long as those bans provide exceptions, like if continuing the pregnancy would pose serious health risks for the mother.

One of the main reasons I am pro-choice is because I feel the life and well-being of a fully-grown woman takes precedence over that of an unborn fetus. Also, at the moment, most scientists agree that a fetus has to be at least 20 weeks old in order to perceive any pain.

Quote from Wikipedia:

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The accepted hypothesis of the means by which pain is perceived states that it requires certain physical structures and operations. These are not formed in fetuses until 20 weeks or more. The general consensus of the scientific community at this time is that only fetuses of this age or older are capable of perceiving pain.


Actual article itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_pain




I could live with them as well for the exception you mentioned and others.


But I would prefer no restrictions on late-terms.


Thalamic connections usually, if not always, begin to develope at 23-30 weeks. Even so, EEG studies suggest that the fetus cannot perceive pain before 29-30 weeks. These studies are not conclusive though (TTBOMK.)


In any case.....the general consensus in the medical community is that the fetus has no pain perception whatsoever before the third trimester.



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31 Jul 2010, 2:04 am

I'm pro-enforcement: Abortion should be mandatory for racists, rightwing extremists, leftie extremists and religious people who force their beliefs onto their children.


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31 Jul 2010, 2:11 am

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I'm pro-enforcement: Abortion should be mandatory for racists, rightwing extremists, leftie extremists and religious people who force their beliefs onto their children.







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31 Jul 2010, 12:04 pm

As usual with these kinds of polls, my position is a tough one to select a poll option for.

I wish that abortion were not permitted, but I am not sure using the legal system is the way to reduce or eliminate abortions. I think a two-pronged approach is best: to strongly discourage teen/out-of-wedlock pregnancy, and to encourage adoption and really hold the feet of social services/foster care systems to the fire. I think that if parents did not have to fear that their children would go through hell in the foster care system if they gave them up for adoption, there would be less reticence about carrying the child to term.

For my own case...I would not feel comfortable getting an abortion, even if I were raped or my life were in danger.


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31 Jul 2010, 12:27 pm

I am prochoice, BUT would never allow the whole abortion thing to be outlawed. We need it, to get rid of some of the overpopulation we are experiencing.



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31 Jul 2010, 12:32 pm

Craig28 wrote:
I am prochoice, BUT would never allow the whole abortion thing to be outlawed. We need it, to get rid of some of the overpopulation we are experiencing.


I think that same end could be accomplished by some couples choosing not to have children of their own, and adopting children whose parents could not care for them.


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31 Jul 2010, 2:14 pm

SoSayWeAll wrote:
As usual with these kinds of polls, my position is a tough one to select a poll option for.

I wish that abortion were not permitted, but I am not sure using the legal system is the way to reduce or eliminate abortions. I think a two-pronged approach is best: to strongly discourage teen/out-of-wedlock pregnancy, and to encourage adoption and really hold the feet of social services/foster care systems to the fire. I think that if parents did not have to fear that their children would go through hell in the foster care system if they gave them up for adoption, there would be less reticence about carrying the child to term.

For my own case...I would not feel comfortable getting an abortion, even if I were raped or my life were in danger.



The fact of the matter is that many women simply do not wish (for a multitude of reasons) to carry a child to term. Surely some expectant mothers fear their children
would go through hell in said system and that's the reason they opt for abortion. I
would say that more often though, this is not their primary motivation or even a
motivating factor at all.

I don't think women should ever be forced to carry a child to term no matter what their reasons for not wanting to are.



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31 Jul 2010, 4:11 pm

I am pro-death. I don't expect many anti-choice people to be on here, but who knows?



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31 Jul 2010, 4:14 pm

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I am pro-death. I don't expect many anti-choice people to be on here, but who knows?


Probably about as many anti-choice people as there are hardcore christians and moderate christians who don't think beyond themselves.


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31 Jul 2010, 4:53 pm

I think there are practical concerns that require banning late abortions (with exceptions) as they are a lot more risky. I think late abortions should be allowed case-by case in court, I mean really.

I am anti-choice if the girl was rapped, an early abortion should be enforced by law in that case (what about pills?)

Otherwise, just let people have abortions. I think that even if they were murder, it is a much better answer than letting the amount of weddings increase. I don't want to go to weddings that could be easily prevented by an abortion really. I hate weddings, the inventor of weddings should go to hell.

Seriously: If abortion is banned, it only forces girls to go to clandestine doctors, this gives money to criminals and risks the pregnant women' lives. Forbidding abortion by law is not gonna stop abortion.

When two people marry out of an accident it dooms at least three people (the man, the woman and the child, into a life of missery). Marriages shouldn't happen unnaturally. Also, if a couple were so dumb to get pregnant, it is only bad for mankind to force them to reproduce, I mean, really.


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31 Jul 2010, 4:59 pm

Ichinin wrote:
I'm pro-enforcement: Abortion should be mandatory for racists, rightwing extremists, leftie extremists and religious people who force their beliefs onto their children.




That sounds a bit.... extreme.


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I'm pro-choice, in the words of Jay 'what a woman does with her body is her own f*ckin' business'. That's my sentiment basically.


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31 Jul 2010, 5:02 pm

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'what a woman does with her body is her own f*ckin' business'.


So can a husband have sterilisation without telling his wife? Its his body, he can get sterilised even though his wife clearly wants kids with him.



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31 Jul 2010, 5:05 pm

Craig28 wrote:
just_ben wrote:
'what a woman does with her body is her own f*ckin' business'.


So can a husband have sterilisation without telling his wife? Its his body, he can get sterilised even though his wife clearly wants kids with him.


I don't see why not. If you're expecting me to disagree with you on that, then I'm afraid I'll disappoint. They're his balls, what he does to them is up to him.


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31 Jul 2010, 5:08 pm

just_ben wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
just_ben wrote:
'what a woman does with her body is her own f*ckin' business'.


So can a husband have sterilisation without telling his wife? Its his body, he can get sterilised even though his wife clearly wants kids with him.


I don't see why not. If you're expecting me to disagree with you on that, then I'm afraid I'll disappoint. They're his balls, what he does to them is up to him.


But that won't stop the wife ragging on him, threatening to sue him just because she hasn't got the kids she wanted. Claiming emotional distress, etc. Bloody feminism.