Look at it this way...
Before the so-called big bang,
(1) No Time (new structure) never before existed.
(2) No space (new structure) never before existed.
(3) No light, no matter, no planets, no suns, etc.
(4) No designer DNA super-intelligent automated programming. (New structure/ and information) never before existed.
Well the list could go on forever......
So is it naturally occurring or did it need an intelligent designer.
Are artificial creations, illusions of reality at any time NATURALLY OCCURRING?
Is this artificial reality - artificial universe - naturally OCCURRING or Intelligently Designed?
Which is it?
And where did this intelligent designer come from? If natural forces could produce an intelligent designer it really doesn't need one.