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27 Aug 2010, 2:10 am

Just curious if anyone else here has ever looked into this subject. It seems as plausable as anything else.

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27 Aug 2010, 2:39 am

the masons consider it secret information reserved for 30th degree members, that 75,000 years ago earth was visited by a super-advanced race of ETs who live on a planet with an extreme eccentric orbit of 3600 years duration. anyways, these ETs messed with early proto-human's genetic code to accelerate their evolution to the humanity we know now, and continue to influence our affairs. decades ago, i read this in a book about how a mason named gull [who was the british royal physician to the queen] was really jack the ripper. of course there is no practical way to conclusively prove or disprove these "chariots of the gods"-type things, unless they come back and chat with the UN or something like that.

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27 Aug 2010, 6:35 am

auntblabby wrote:

of course there is no practical way to conclusively prove or disprove these "chariots of the gods"-type things, unless they come back and chat with the UN or something like that.

Of course there is. a measure of the hamming distance between 80,000 year old dna and more modern stuff would show an abrupt and unexpected level of change. Mutation rates are pretty consistent and predictable.

You could do similar tests on tool and settlement design. For instance, midden heaps would show a change in diet. Likewise traces of wear on teeth show conclusive evidence of diet.

In sort, it could be busted to hell and back a dozen different ways.

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27 Aug 2010, 6:40 am

This certainly would explain the strange shapes that can only be seen in aerial view in Peru.

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27 Aug 2010, 8:30 am

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This certainly would explain the strange shapes that can only be seen in aerial view in Peru.

It could be done using graph paper or the primitive equivalent.

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27 Aug 2010, 11:47 am

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This certainly would explain the strange shapes that can only be seen in aerial view in Peru.

It would? Why would supposedly intelligent aliens, similar enough to humans in outlook to communicate with the locals, choose to lay out outlines of local animals on the Cazca plateau that are so large? What possible purpose could they serve?

Now, as for why the locals might do such a thing themselves - religion seems an adequate explanation for Stonehenge, the Easter Island statues, the pyramids of both Egypt and the Inca and Aztec civilizations, the Great Cathedral at Chartres... the list goes on...

Dr. David Brin was right, I think - even if all the tales of extraterrestrial influence are correct, we can still rule out contact by intelligent alien life forms, because they're always described as acting like low-grade idiots.

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27 Aug 2010, 1:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Helixstein wrote:

This certainly would explain the strange shapes that can only be seen in aerial view in Peru.

It could be done using graph paper or the primitive equivalent.

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yes!

When I was a kid I used to go into the backyard and stamp out pictures (by walking around) in the new fallen snow. Then I went up to the 2nd story window to look out and admire my handiwork. The pictures were always something simple: a stick figure person, a house. The point is, when I got upstairs and looked out the window, they always looked like a stick figure person or a house. It wasn't that hard to do.

I don't see it as any sort of stretch to believe that a bunch of grown men with lots of human labor and several years to work with could do essentially the same thing on a much larger scale.

These ancient astronaut theories annoy me. They essentially boil down to insulting the intelligence of our ancestors. The core narrative is always that there is no way that our ancestors could have accomplished these things without extraterrestrial help. Well, they are our ancestors after all. If we can figure out how to build things, why is it so staggering to believe that they could too? We have the exact same brain. The only real difference is that we have a much larger database of accumulated knowledge to draw from when we pull off our feats of technology. Our huge knowledge database got us to the moon. So why is it such a leap to believe that their smaller knowledge databse let them figure out how to buld huge stone monuments or carve oversized pictures into the desert floor?

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27 Aug 2010, 2:57 pm

been to nazca, in a small plane. very faint after years but really very creative. a few guys with some poles and piles of rocks could re-create these. i wish some peruvians would do this as an art project to stop all the alien visitors talk.

macchu picchu? same thing. there's a rock quarry on the side of the mountain! that's where the stones came from.

don't get me started on the pyramids.

no one loves an ancient astronaut theory more than i. but there is no proof what-so-ever.

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27 Aug 2010, 2:59 pm

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And stop the tourist rubes from coming? Not a chance.

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27 Aug 2010, 9:04 pm

I like the theory(don't remember the origination) that millions of years ago, people did exist and there were two classes, the rich and the not rich. A great calamity was to hit Earth, but before it did, the rich decided to pack up and leave this sphere for space. After the calamity, a lot of the not rich were killed off. The rich wanted to return to help revitalize the planet again, but couldn't because the not rich vowed that they would off any of them for leaving them forsaken on the planet. So instead, the rich sustained their selves out in space, hoping that after some generations, the not rich would forget what happened and not be up in arms over the rich's return. But after some generations, the rich began to mutate as a result of their extra-terrestrian life, soon becoming very distinctive from their former race. They ultimately decided that a return was not feasible. Intelligent life on Earth, being on the brink for a long time, began to devolve. After some more time, the people that were once the rich, were a completely different organism than the Earthlings. They became more advanced technological and spiritually. Feeling pity for their former brothers, they sought out to help them through genetic engineering and positioning "chosen one's" to be recipients of knowledge that would have been too much of a leap for their mental capabilities. The ultimate goal of the once rich class was to guide the Earthlings to eventually develop a society that will welcome back the forlorn space race by being able to receive and understand the message that "They were sorry".

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27 Aug 2010, 9:47 pm

I think it is extremely interesting and I have looked into it a lot. You have to ask yourself questions. How are those stones at Puma Punku carved in a more exact straight line than a laser could? Or why are there ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Japanese glyphs and sculptures that depict what clearly looks like a rocket ship or UFO, and beings in space suits? Why do the different Amerindian pyramids align perfectly with planets of our and other solar systems?

The ancient Celtics who built Stonehedge - how did weak, primitive cavemen move rocks that way several tonnes and get them standing on each other?

So many paintings of Jesus or other early Christian art shows a flying saucer in the background. These native religions and I guess early Christianity can explain that they did it for the God(s), but what about the "Chariots of the Gods" that come flying out of the sky which are mentioned a lot in ancient texts, those could be suggesting something?

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27 Aug 2010, 9:59 pm

I think it's a compelling, if somewhat far-fetched, idea. I would actually argue that some of the astronauts weren't really aliens, but humans who had developed aircraft or space flight at a very early time. Maybe pre-flood (if you believe in the Great Flood).

A guy makes a case for that exact theory at s8int.com

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27 Aug 2010, 10:40 pm

FerrariMike_40 wrote:

There are no stones carved "in a straighter line than a laser could". That would be thing straighter than the definition of "straight" - unless you're ringing in non-Euclidean geometries and they were created by the Great Old Ones, somebody's feeding you a line.

The images you reference (as seen in, for example, von Daniken's Ancient Astronauts) only look like "spaceships" if you kind of squint and look at them from an angle. As for "beings in space suits", that's a rather fanciful description of a haloed head...

Pyramids cannot align with planets - planets, you see, move The planets of our sun orbit it; planets of other stars orbit them, and the stars move across the sky as our own planet orbits. Pyramids, on the other hand, are rather notable for the way they don't move, for millennia at a time.

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The ancient Celtics who built Stonehedge - how did weak, primitive cavemen move rocks that way several tonnes and get them standing on each other?

Weak? Do you truly imagine it's possible to live the life of an ancient Celt and remain weak? As for "primitive", don't make the modern mistake of confusing "primitive" with "stupid". Here, read:

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The sarsen stones, made of a type of sandstone harder than granite, weigh from 25 to 50 tons each (Robbins, 179). They are 7 feet (2. lm) wide and 13 feet (4m) ("Stonehenge" Encyclopedia Americana, NPA) to 21 feet (6.4m) high on average (Schreiber, 30). The trilithons have "integral mortise and tendon joints" ("GBC-Stonehenge", 2). The Wessex people showed very precise measurements on keeping the stones even. They cut the lintels at a slight curve to make the circle. That would have taken careful and wise judgment and engineering.

These heavy stones came from a place called Marlborough Downs near Avebury in Northwiltshire, twenty miles north of Stonehenge (Stonehenge, 2). They transported the using rollers and sledges like their predecessors. With such heavy stones, it took five hundred individuals to pull one stone, with another one hundred to lay heavy rollers in front of the stone. Its steepest part, Redhorn Hill, took even more persons. One theory suggests that the Wessex peoples only transported stones when there was ice on the ground so the stones would just slide along. Once at Stonehenge, they prepared the stones for their pre-dug holes. The builders dressed them for their lintels and trimmed and pointed their ends. Levers made the stone rise until gravity slid it the rest of the way into the hole. At a 30-degree angle to the ground, the Wessex workers pulled on ropes from the opposite side, raising it to upright position. Workers quickly filled the hole at the stone's base with small, round packing stones. They then lowered the lintels into place ("Stonehenge", NPA). Outside this circle is an outer ring of sarsen trilithons, called the sarsen circle, consisting of 30 smaller stones with lintels (Roop, 71). They used the same process on the outer ring.

(Really, do read the article - you will find, for instance, that construction of Stonehenge happened in three widely separated stages, and took centuries.)

My advice: If a "source" posts many questions, then answers them with hypotheses that require more than observable facts, go thou and research for yourself. You may find that they use this rhetorical technique to give the impression that they've answered a question, rather than engaged in wild speculation.

Edit: fixed link.

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28 Aug 2010, 12:41 am

Fuzzy wrote:

a measure of the hamming distance between 80,000 year old dna and more modern stuff would show an abrupt and unexpected level of change. Mutation rates are pretty consistent and predictable. You could do similar tests on tool and settlement design. For instance, midden heaps would show a change in diet. Likewise traces of wear on teeth show conclusive evidence of diet.

ok, i plead ignorance as usual, so can you tell me if this [what you just described] has been done and has been presented as conclusive proof? enquiring minds want to know

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28 Aug 2010, 2:36 am

auntblabby wrote:

Fuzzy wrote:

ok, i plead ignorance as usual, so can you tell me if this [what you just described] has been done and has been presented as conclusive proof? enquiring minds want to know

Checking trash, teeth, bone and joint wear, and sometimes even crap (more likely to be found in caves in arid climates) tell a lot about a culture. There is no sudden leap in any society's development that does not have a more logical explanation than interaction or interbreeding with aliens. In the case of the pyramids, we just don't know how they were built. 4th dynasty Egypt didn't have the necessary technology or math skills (that we know about) to build the pyramids, but there is nothing exotic about the materials used that could prove aliens had anything to do with it. The same can be said about other ancient sites.

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28 Aug 2010, 5:29 am

auntblabby wrote:

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ok, i plead ignorance as usual, so can you tell me if this [what you just described] has been done and has been presented as conclusive proof? enquiring minds want to know

The DNA technique is done all the time. I'll send you a private message to show you how its being done on my family DNA.

John Browning summed up the other parts, except that the construction techniques of the pyramids are pretty much worked out.

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