Fellow Christians: Your Views On Jeanne D'Arc?

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What are your views on this woman? Do you believe she deserved to be burned at the stake? Did she really recieve messages from God or was she lying or insane? Is it wrong to think of what happened to her as a tragedy?

Schizophrenic. The only people these days who hear God talking to them are wing dings and nut cases.

ruveyn

Last edited by ruveyn on 14 Nov 2010, 8:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Passing lightly over baseless reactivity -

that there are elements of tragedy in the business cannot be doubted [even if you buy into possession or schizophrenia, I feel safe in labelling it tragedy]

Not to rule out elements of triump.

As for causality - as I said to JB on another topic, insufficient daya.

Diagnosing physical spiritual mental state of one centuries dead is singularly pointless - as I said to RL on another topic.

I like the idea of believing that she really did see what she said she did. I also admire people who believe her. I can't fault them for hoping it's true.

Edit - I should clarify that the reason I think that is because devotion and faith (not just the act, but the true feeling) strikes me as beautiful, regardless of the religion.

She would have needed to conduct herself in a manner that inspired confidence, which would be extremely hard to do if she was an unmedicated schizophrenic.

If she was a liar and a narcissist, her campaign would have been short-lived and at best might have been a side note in French history.

I think she probably heard God.

Right! But which God?

ruveyn

Fellow Christians: Your Views On Jeanne D'Arc? Apparently Joan of Arc heard voices and felt God was talking to her. Today that might be called Temporal Lobe Epilepsy (Wikipedia) or something like schizophrenia (Wikipedia). Since Joan of Arc went political, she became a pawn eventually for both the politicians (secular politicians) and religionists (non-profit religious politicians) who fought over what she did and twisted it to their advantage.

Do I think that Joan of Arc meets the criteria for being a saint like David or Moses? No. Joan of Arc is only a puppet representing various points-of-view such as:

Burning women at the stake is good (keeps the men in control).
Joan of Arc belongs on Mt. Rushmore in France being a good symbol of a French politician.
Joan of Arc is a Protestant saint for sure.
Joan of Arc is an Italian Catholic saint for sure.
Joan of Arc could be packaged in such as way as to generate profits: a line of clothing, armor, weapons (swords), scarfs, perfumes and so on.
Joan of Arc could have been the first woman Pope if the Popes didn't hate women as they do as Italian Catholic Church dogma.

Long live Robin Hood...oops...Joan of Arc.

Joan of Arc - Political pawn (expendable) and used by politicians (godless secular and godless non-profit religionists) to further their own interests, not Joan's.

I'm reminded of a song:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHjnjIbwvGI&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94f2exI6yF4[/youtube]

As I understand it, Joan of Arc was convicted and executed for cross-dressing. I suppose if someone can find the right quote from Leviticus, then she had it coming.

EDIT:

Here we are: Deuteronomy 22:5

Jeanne is a saint, she was made one many years agos. what more to say, she was a wonderful woman. whether it was the voice of God or something else (I think she was a miracle and that her voices were from heaven) she did a very amazing thing. She did not wish to go but because of her faith she went anyways, she always did as the voices commanded (including the mens clothes she said God willed it, she also said that as she was with soldiers it was fitting she wear such. She also did not seem feel safe without them on.) She pitied both French and English and would even comfort soldiers as they died. She begged the English armies to stop before fighting them but if they did not she warned them that they would be driven out. She was true to her word and full of compassion and faith. Just by viewing her quotes you can see she was like this. Even imprisoned which she found very painful she kept her faith (except that short while she did without thinking so that she would not die the death she feared most but at the relapse she was strong to go back on words said in fear and face that fear so that she would be doing what was right) Surely such courage and compassion cannot be dismissed as anything but pure love of God and saintliness as her last words were forgiving and pleas to be forgiven. the very last was simply "Jesus" six times repeated. I cannot see this being denied as anything but her love. and she was so very full of love. I must not make sense try to read it as best as you can.

She was an historical figure of no great modern-day significance.


No.


She may have believed some of the lies she told, but that does not make them any less deceitful.


No.

Jean D'arc was a nutcase.

ruveyn

This thread died more than 2 years ago. Please let it rest in peace.

oh how foolish of me my selfish need to express an opinion pushed the dead end to the live end I was using g-search and I wanted to talk about Joan of Arc instead I made this go up and people have strong opinions I must have offended someone... ugh forgive me for this new mess. such a mistake will it be locked? things are getting messy.... sorry my mistake. I am in a state of tiredness so I have no logic I should jst sleep

It was never my intention to make a personal attack against you.

The problem simply is that there is a risk that some of the individuals posting in the thread may no longer hold the views they presented, when a lot of time has passed... Or they may have left WP altogether.

When a subject hasn't been discussed for some time, it may be more fruitful to start an entirely new topic on the same subject.

I did not think you did mean that (I did not take it as such) nor was I commenting on what others said for the most part (some small reference i think) I realized it was a mistake to revive it and it was messy thinking. Thank you very much, else wise I might have said something even messier.