The Stupidity of Afrocentrism

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Afrocentrism is the belief that the ancient Egyptians were black and black people were responsible for basically all ancient inventions. The problem I have with Afrocentrism isn't that it's totally wrong, the problem I have with it is that it is unnecessary. During ancient Egyptian times there were black civilizations just to the south.

A lot of people think that the black people that would later become slaves in America were kidnapped. Actually they were sold. During this time there were civilizations in africa in which black people enslaved other black people. The slaves were sold by other black people. Later, during the scramble for Africa, Americans and Europeans became so blinded by racism that people stopped talking about these black civilizations.

Afrocentrism is an insult to the black civilizations that actually existed.

I suppose every race needs it's embarrassing members... I'd have thought that the rap industry provided enough embarrassment to go around, but apparently some people thought otherwise.

I think any -centrism type ideology is stupid. Afrocentrism is no different.

There were plenty of kings and civilizations south of the Sahara. But beyond Nubia, Ethiopia, Mali and Great Zimbabwe, they weren't really builder civilizations.

Humiliated people sometimes make up stories to feel better about themselves. And because they are little known to the average person, it wouldn't serve the purposes of afrocentrics to deal with the less famous builder cultures of Africa. They want to be the root of Europe and all civilization, not simply associate with some regional outlets.

Black-centrism is as bad as white-centrism.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

History should not be twisted to fit anyone's political or ideological agenda. People should seek the truth, not fudge facts to make whoever it is feel better.

Afrocentrists claim that Phoenicians and other Canaanites were black too.

Hell, they even claim that Romans were black too.

The University in Timbuktu was one of the main centres of Islamic learning in the Medieval period from the 1200s to the 1600s. There were over 700,000 manuscripts produced there that get sold off in Mali cheaply because it's now a really poor country.

I suppose that's not as cool as Ancient Egypt, though.

>.< so tim buck two is a place.

it was a big trading city IIRC

While science and technology owe their advancements to the Americans, Asians, and Europeans, the greatest "Claim to Fame" that the African continent has is that civilization did not get started until after our human ancestors migrated out of Africa and settled the other continents.

Even the Great Zimbabwe is just a pile of rocks in comparison to places like Ankor Wat and Machu Pichu.

That's absurd. I've heard them claim things like Tutankhamen was black, but his chariot in his tomb didn't have spinning gold rims.

Okay, seriously, if the afrocentrists did any half-assed attempt at research they would have discovered that the Egyptians held a lower view of blacks than even modern white supremacist groups do, and it shows in their art bigtime when they depict Nubians, and they drew themselves more middle eastern looking.

Reminds me of a running gag in Star Trek: TOS where Chekov keeps saying the Russians invented this or that.

Uh... you are aware that there were Nubian pharaohs of Egypt and likewise Egyptian pharaohs of Nubia? There was extensive trade and culture exchange between the two civilizations. If not for their art work depicting themselves it would be almost impossible to tell that black Africans were the ones who built Meroë or the other Nubian ruins known
There are many depictions of Nubians in Egypt and they are portrayed very similar to Egyptians, which is understandable as they worshipped the same gods and had essentially the same belief system. In fact during New Kingdom Egypt (which incorporated Nubia) the two peoples are generally considered one group. So I seriously don't know where you get that

Anyway... Afrocentrism is a bunch of crap, like any pseudo movement aiming to claim the title of 'most important'

Edit: at the spinning gold rims

This is what I know of Nubia's involvement in the affairs of Egypt:

c2500 BCE: Nubia in her Kerma phase, lasting about 1025 years.

c1700 BCE: Nubia is known as the Kingdom of Kush (According to the Bible). By this time the Nubians had established sizable cities with a class society of workers, farmers, priests, soldiers, bureaucrats, and an aristocracy with technological and cultural skills on a level with other advanced civilizations of their day. (MT, 10/95, p.10-11)

c1600 BCE: Mounded royal tombs containing artifacts from this time were found in the ruins of the city of Kerma from ancient Nubia. (MT, 10/95, p.10-11)

c1575 BCE: Nubian Kerma sacks Egypt over a period of about 25 years.

1551 BCE: (To 1524 BCE) Amenhotep I (Ahmenophis), son of Amasis I (Ahmose), ruled at the beginning of the 18th Dynasty of Egypt. Inscriptions indicate that he engaged the Nubians in the land of Kush. Some of the southern foes were evidently cave-dwellers (troglodytes), since the inscription goes on to say that 'His majesty captured the Nubian Troglodyte in the midst of his army. (NG, 9/98, p.17)(L.C.-W.P.p.66)(www.ancientroute.com/IndexPharCh.htm)

c1520 BCE: Egypt conquers Nubia, beginning of Egyptian domination of Nubia.

c1500 BCE: (To 1000 BCE) Nubia was colonized by Egypt. (MT, 10/95, p.10-11)

1471 BCE: Tuthmosis III of Egypt built rafts on the Lebanese coast, put them on wagons, and transported them to the Euphrates in order to cross the river and defeat the King of Mitanni. This was his eighth campaign in the thirty-third year of his reign. This was well over 250 miles. He died in the fifty-fourth year of his reign. An inscription at Napata in Nubia tells us about this. (L.C.-W.P.p.87-89)

1345 BCE: Tutankhamen is born.

1323 BCE: Tutankhamen dies.

1069 BCE: (To 945 BCE) This is the period of Egypt’s 21st Dynasty. The capital moved from Tanis to Libyan, to Nubia, to Thebes, to SAIS, and then back to Nubia and Thebes. (www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html)

0750 BCE: (To 719 BCE) Piye (Piankhy) ruled Kush (Nubia). In 722 he extended his rule to Egypt. Kashta, ruler of Kush, had begun a campaign against Egypt. With the help of his son, Piankhy, he was successful and Piankhy became pharaoh of Egypt. The Nubian King Piye conquered the weakened and disunited Egypt and became the first of several Nubian Pharaohs who ruled a unified Egyptian and Nubian state for the next century. (eawc, p.7)(MT, 10/95, p.10-11)(www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html)

0725 BCE: (To 720 BCE) Tefnakhte I, a prince of western Egypt, ruled as the 1st king of the 24th Dynasty, known as the Sais Dynasty. He attempted to stop an invasion by organizing other Northern Kings with him against invaders from the south. This southern force was comprised of Piankhi’s Nubian forces that wanted to gain control of all of Egypt. The four northern armies under Tefnakht, Osorkon IV of Tanis, Peftjauabastet of Hernopolis, Nimlot, and Input of Leontopolis all enjoyed a relatively easy time in their conquering of the people down to the south, but Piankhi was actually drawing them down. When Tefnakht's forces finally reached Memphis they were massacred and Tefnakht conceded to Piankhi. Tefnakht and the four other leaders were allowed to remain governors of their territories under the new Pharaoh Piankhi. (www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html)

0722 BCE: Piye (Piankhy) marched north from Nubia and began his conquest of Egypt where he founded the 25th Dynasty. He consolidated his rule over Egypt and Kush and became the 1st king of the 25th Dynasty. It has been suggested that he revived pyramid building for royals in Egypt, a tradition that had gone extinct for over eight centuries. (www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html)(Arch, 9/02, p.55)

0712 BCE: (To 698 BCE) Shebaka of Nubia ruled in Egypt. Some consider him the 1st king of the 25th Dynasty. (www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html)

0690 BCE: (To 664 BCE) The Nubian Pharaoh Taharqa, brother of Shebitku, ruled over the upper Nile Nubian-Egyptian state. He is mentioned in the Bible as a pyramid builder. A sculpture of the Kushite king was discovered in the basement of "God's House Tower," an archeological museum, in England in 2000. (MT, 10/95, p.10-11)(SFC, 2/16/00, p.A8)(www.crystalinks.com/dynasty21.html)(Arch, 9/02, p.55)

0593 BCE: The Nubians were defeated by a resurgent Egyptian dynasty after which they moved their capital from Napata to Meroe. (Arch, 9/02, p.56)

0530 BCE: (December) Cyrus the Great, ruler of Persia, died in battle, fighting the Scythians along the Syr Darya. He was succeeded by his son, Cambyses II, who managed to add to the empire by conquering Egypt, Nubia, and Cyrenaica during his short rule. {Persia} (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great)

0270 BCE: The Nubian royals opted for burial at Meroe about this time and pyramids were built there for some 700 years. (Arch, 9/02, p.56)

0180 BCE: The state of Meroe in Nubia was a great cultural center whose scribes developed an alphabet to better express the Nubian language around this time. (MT, 10/95, p.10-11)

So, for a period of at least 1400 years, Nubia and Egypt had extensive dealings with each other, so King Tut may have been of Nubian descent.

Hello!

Look at Tut's funeral mask.

Look at his nose and full lips.

How is he OTHER than Black?

* Ahem *



Is Jocelyn Wildenstein black?