Feminism and the disposability of males

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06 Nov 2011, 8:23 pm

On my final warning for sexism, so I will have to behave and keep my commentary to a minimum.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA[/youtube]

It's always nice to see sane women fighting for the cause, plus people are more willing to listen. Enjoy

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06 Nov 2011, 10:07 pm

Okay so we have clearly established there are mental cases on both sides of the issue.

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06 Nov 2011, 10:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Okay so we have clearly established there are mental cases on both sides of the issue.

For once, I'm in complete agreement.

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07 Nov 2011, 2:32 am

http://www.womynkind.org/scum.htm

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07 Nov 2011, 2:53 am

^
wow, that's maybe the second feminist essay I've ever read (the first being the one that claimed that empiricism is 'masculine' and should be abandoned) that I can call flat-out stupid. Maybe some of it was due to transcription errors, but I didn't get past the second paragraph: it wasn't worth it.

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07 Nov 2011, 7:40 am

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Radical feminism is crap but what we need to understand is that they are an awful minority and have a net influence of minus 1 in politics and legislation. Most of them are also the disturbed product of severe trauma. So it is dumb to use them as an example of "feminism being designed to slave/eliminate men".

Also, regarding this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Shot_Andy_Warhol

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07 Nov 2011, 9:10 am

lilypadfad the instant you stop trying to fight a war against women and treat those who deserve to be treated as equals as equals then I will begin to listen. It's obvious that you can do it, but do it consistently.

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07 Nov 2011, 9:14 am

It is women who wage war against men, we're just not fighting back yet.

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07 Nov 2011, 9:35 am

lilypadfad wrote:

It is women who wage war against men, we're just not fighting back yet.

Oh stop it already with your generalized statements. Women as a group are not waging war on men. Stop it already.

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07 Nov 2011, 12:48 pm

LKL wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Okay so we have clearly established there are mental cases on both sides of the issue.

For once, I'm in complete agreement.

I don't quite see how you guys formed this conclusion. I found the speaker to be quite erudite and articulate.

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07 Nov 2011, 1:06 pm

LKL wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Okay so we have clearly established there are mental cases on both sides of the issue.

For once, I'm in complete agreement.

I will agree as well.
Here is an example for her - how about baby girls in india/china, nowadays? A life so valuable, huh?
Damn right, there should be a war - a war against ignorance.

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07 Nov 2011, 1:35 pm

mar00 wrote:

LKL wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Okay so we have clearly established there are mental cases on both sides of the issue.

For once, I'm in complete agreement.

I will agree as well.
Here is an example for her - how about baby girls in india/china, nowadays? A life so valuable, huh?
Damn right, there should be a war - a war against ignorance.

Your example shows very divergent cultural values to our own, but doesn't invalidate her points since they still apply to Western culture. The problems in China and India are horrible and in need of adressing but we have our own problems that are no less important.

While I don't agree with most of what lillypad has posted recently, I don't find anything objectable in the video he linked.

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07 Nov 2011, 2:41 pm

I see what you mean I must have assumed that she makes a general (historical) statement? However the same reasons led to female infanticide throughout most of the history! This argument is as strong as hers (not to mention other things she said...not..)

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That is - one life over another and the woman wins every time.

Also I could quote numerous philosophers on woman being an object and other documents supporting feministic point of view that woman was primarily a property so man would defend himself, not a woman. While we do measure a man by his doings we do not measure woman as a person at all - only how good of a quality her slave-work and obedience is. These pseudo-evolutionary arguments are anything but useful. So she does provide a different perspective on the early times. I don't think that issues she emphasized are relevant in today's western world as much either. Oh and then there is this self-righteous smile on her face. This american apparently had it pretty good in life. Huh what can I say - people have such an odd notion of what feminism is.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pdbnzFUsXI[/youtube]

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07 Nov 2011, 3:02 pm

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supporting feministic point of view that woman was primarily a property so man would defend himself, not a woman.

Not sure what you are getting at here. A man defending a woman, is not really defending a woman, he is defending himself? *puzzled*.

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we do not measure woman as a person at all - only how good of a quality her slave-work and obedience is.

Ah this is not the case, we do value women just for being women. This is the video she was talking about by the way, the one from which the human doings vs human beings analogy came from.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaX2S41k458[/youtube]

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07 Nov 2011, 3:33 pm

Now again you are selectively choosing parts which are the most comfortable to your view.

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Not sure what you are getting at here. A man defending a woman, is not really defending a woman, he is defending himself? *puzzled*.

Yeah - that is exactly right. Have you heard of capitalism?

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Ah this is not the case, we do value women just for being women.

Yes as you value a vaze for being a vaze and a dog for pasturing the sheep.

All these videos are mostly propagandistic and very hard to watch - they make claims out of thin air. All people nowadays have it pretty hard and both sexes has its burdens. Women are as much as twice as likely to suffer from depression than men (reference-google). Why men death rates are higher is a whole another matter. There is no need to turn to blaming and comparing. Obviously everyone is affected by this ridiculous stereotyping and, in my eyes, feminism plays a vital role in debunking these myths. Radical wing is another matter as well.

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07 Nov 2011, 3:54 pm

mar00 wrote:

All these videos are mostly propagandistic and very hard to watch - they make claims out of thin air. All people nowadays have it pretty hard and both sexes has its burdens. Women are as much as twice as likely to suffer from depression than men (reference-google). Why men death rates are higher is a whole another matter. There is no need to turn to blaming and comparing. Obviously everyone is affected by this ridiculous stereotyping and, in my eyes, feminism plays a vital role in debunking these myths. Radical wing is another matter as well.

Feminism does very little to adress the concerns of men, however.

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There is no need to turn to blaming and comparing.

Yet by comparing we can see discrepancies, feminists compare all the time to show inequality. I see no problem with men doing the same.

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