Did existence create itself?

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Did existence create itself?

You should ask someone who was there.

Why bother care how it came about?

No. That's not logical. God done it.

Useless thread.

The physical cosmos has always existed in some form or another so it did not have to be created from nothing.

ruveyn

Even if it was created from nothing, there is no need to posit intelligence or intent behind it.

It was created at the same instant as the Big Bang, most likely. There was probably no time and space "before" the Big Bang and thus no empty, infinite space it could happen in. There are other theories that may be plausible, but if we go by Occam's Razor, this is how it was.

There's no "before" 00.00 at Track 1 on a CD either—and no vacant space on it before the actual CD was physically existant.

There would have to exist something to create something from nothing. That means if our cosmos was created ex nihllo there would have to be a precursor for it.

This sounds like turtles all the way down.

ruveyn

God said bang and stuff got created. Now my Sunday School Teacher said God is eternal. Still sounds plausible to me. Let us not go tracing His Roots..thanks.

Something cannot come from nothing. Material has limitations, and does not span from everlasting to everlasting. If there was a pre big bang to have sparked the big bang, that pre big bang still suffers the same questions as the original big bang.

The only way you get something from nothing is if its creator or creating force is not bounded to or forced to live within the confines and limitations of naturalism. Outside of it if you will... which is trippy since that would suggest that there may be another dimension of reality that this creator, or what sparked the big bang, occupies. A plane of existence that is not limited by the rules of nature.

If that creator something or causer that sparked or guided the big bang is immaterial, and unnatural/supernatural, then we cannot assess IT with the laws that govern nature or the material world, and certainly not with natural modes of measurement. We can only observe the science behind the creation or the created. That is it.

And who are what said God!! !! ! Bang.

ruveyn

Anything that makes up you and everything you see around you was in fact there and was a part of it.

Since space is expanding, every living person on this board is either standing, sitting og lying down at the exact spot where the Big Bang happened.

The Big Bang didn't come from nothing. If you go to time 0, our best approximation would be a singularity universe with zero volume and infinite density, but we know extremely little about the Big Bang before one Planck time. The Big Bang is not a theory that explains how the universe was created, but how it's expanding and the consequences of this expansion.




Omnipotence would allow a God to be above physical laws and time.



True enough.

A car just creating itself from nothing is more probable than existence creating itself from nothing.

I agree.

I guess since we know nothing of what came before this singular universe, or how this universe came about at all, the question, absent a supernatural force, is where did this singular universe come from, or why it exists. How can we construct a testable proof for it. What made it so... wherein the construction of this singular universe could have just read like a lifeless ream of very precise and complex equations on endless sheets of paper, what put the fire behind the equations to use Hawkings own question, and made them a physical reality. What compels a universe into existence.

A pre big bang is what has been entertained, one that maybe sort of contracted or inflated. Hawkings entertains a wick transformation but I know too little of that or the numbering system that would have to be manipulated to comment on it. Our universe may also be be a side-reaction of other universes, we don't know.