Compulsory abortion for DS foetuses, says UKIP candidate

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I do my best to give UKIP the benefit of the doubt, then I read about howlers such as this and wonder if they are any better than the BNP-lite. Presumably he would also be fine for autistic foetuses to be aborted.

Whats interesting is that this individual was never reprimanded or expelled from the party. Mr Farrage thinks its fine to have these sorts of individuals in government.

http://www.gravesendreporter.co.uk/news ... _1_1745952

Why are you digging up a story from six months ago?

This man was kicked out of the party and won't be allowed to stand again. But I shouldn't be surprised that you lie about your opponents.

I was horrified by this as anyone.

(Hint: there are stories that you could find out there that could possibly make UKIP look less than completely white, but I'm not going to help you.)

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To prove that you are an ideologically-driven liar:

This was a day or two after his comments. I can imagine he was booted out forthwith.

If you like, I can e-mail UKIP South East on the matter?

Do you support abortion Thomas? If you can see the immorality of this disgusting belief then how could you rationalize abortion for the purposes of convenience?

Right, and was it before or after the public backlash that they finally backed down?

Official UKIP reaction at the time:


Either way, UKIP is having a hard time batting back a tirade of individuals with shady credentials from the party. No other 'moderate' party is having these issues. If they truly were a legitimate, respectable party this wouldn't be an issue. No smoke without fire, as they say.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/politics/wic ... _1_2171716

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... alute.html

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/U ... z2RrMmN59k

I agree that they were slightly slow in coming to grips with what was happening, but I'd put that down more to incompetence than malice.



Which is a fallacy, as you should know.

I should think that both pro-lifers and pro-choicers would agree that no woman should be forced to have an abortion.
So, who did that crazy man think his idea would appeal to?

Eugenicists? Nazi supporters?

Of more concern, however, is that another eugenicist, Colin Brewer, actually was re-elected to Cornwall County Council. This is the man who said that disabled kids should be put down.

I'm strongly in favour of free speech, and I'd be interested to find out why people would vote for him. He was only re-elected by something like 4 votes though. If it were me, and there was another Independent (or UKIP) candidate I liked, I'd be campaigning for them.

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Sadly, he only speaks aloud what some people really think. In the discussion of an online newspaper article of a german moderate newspaper, that was about prediagnostic, people also stated this messages. As example that people that get disabled babies, when prediagnostic should have given them the chance to abort it, should be refused from social funding, because of them getting a disabled baby "on purpose" and asocially thinking that the society should support them as other parents that have disabled babies "without purpose".

I simply couldnt believe, that those people really thought themselves to be the good ones, that need to protect society from "asocial parents", getting disabled babies "on purpose" because of not aborting them. I was simply ashamed and sad beyond believe. Sadly noone kicked these people out of anywhere.

Sadly, the average Down's Syndrome baby is far more likely to be aborted than kept these days anyway ie theres no need for compulsion as parents will willingly abort anyway

It's highly ironic as the people who are a drain on the system are the genetically 'perfect' NTs who produce endless babies and don't bring their children up with any morals, so they end up in the criminal justice system and needing support from the public sector all their lives - these people are the real drain on society!

Erk!

Shades of Aktion T4 coming through there!

completely irrelevant tangent.

On the one hand, I am very mindful of the fact that this little gem was contained in a "personal manifesto" and that the party distanced itself from it as soon as the issue presented itself.

On the other hand, I am equally mindful of the aphorism, "you will be judged by the company you keep." The party severed its link to this creature, but before it did so, he was one of the candidates that the party would have seen elected.

This happens a lot with new political parties. The old ones such as Labour and the Conservatives have had decades to build up enough dependable manpower through local politics and youth organisations and so on. The new parties often have to go on a rapid recruitment drive to be able to fill up the seats they expect to gain in an election. This happened in the Netherlands with the parties of Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders. A whole bunch of them had to leave because they had done some questionable things in the past, or made unfornate comments. There was even a secretary of state who had to leave hours after she was sworn in.

Uh, did you miss the word "compulsory"? You do know that "compulsory" abortions are not pro-choice, right?

They can much more easily laugh off or ignore their bigots (even when these bigots are in parliament!). A party like UKIP (I would have said the Greens if they were as popular as UKIP) cannot really afford to do that. So the standards for UKIP are being set are lot higher.



Yes, the PVV is a good example. Actually, a member of the European Parliament (Daniël van der Stoep) for the PVV was expelled from their delegation because he had killed someone drunk driving.

UKIP, especially in its earlier days, have had the same problems with MEPs who have been found to have defrauded the system.

Similarly, in The Finns Party, officials - even elected ones I believe - have said some awful things. There may be more, but a newly-elected councillor for them said that a man who murdered a Moroccan-born pizza restaurant worker should be given a medal.

Any political party that is rapidly trying to expand on little has the issue of perhaps having problems with a small minority of their candidates.