Cat-calling is harmless flattery...
I've made the point before that responses to harassment are not always so simple to interpret- sometimes it is actually safer to not challenge it because it can be very dangerous to argue, challenge, disagree, or explicitly state that you want to be left alone. So the only other option is often demonstrating passive disinterest or at times "being polite" because EVEN passive disinterest is enough to elevate the situation. Then it becomes the victim's fault because they "didn't explicitly state" that they did not want to be endlessly hit on, talked about, approached, catcalled, looked over again and again, etc etc etc, though the alternative might have induced greater harm to them.
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This is what I get scared might happen, honestly, because there is no way to know it won't.
All he said was, 'Can you please just stop?'" Saavedra said. "The man then sort of trailed behind them, and that's when he attacked."
The man stabbed Schwartz nine times in the back, face, neck and arms, puncturing a lung, Saavedra said. She said gashes on his arms required about 60 stitches each, while the cuts to his back just missed his spinal cord.
-Man stabbed for asking someone to stop catcalling his girlfriend.
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What part of NYC do you live, Jwfess?
I live in Queens Village.
I'm not to far. A couple villages over in Nassau County.
And yes, there are obviously limits on freedom of speech. But that's why I'm interested in what defines a catcall. From what I've read, some people think a compliment constitutes a catcall, which it can be, but it certainly depends on the delivery.
What part of NYC do you live, Jwfess?
I live in Queens Village.
I'm not to far. A couple villages over in Nassau County.
And yes, there are obviously limits on freedom of speech. But that's why I'm interested in what defines a catcall. From what I've read, some people think a compliment constitutes a catcall, which it can be, but it certainly depends on the delivery.
People don't normally compliment random strangers on the street.
Maybe but what exactly defines a cat-call? In the US we have freedom of speech, I don't think it should be illegal to communicate your opinion to someone else.
In general I agree, but we cannot have some types of contact being legal and other types illegal, so therefore I propose that all types of contact must be negotiated in writing before it takes place. Kind of a contract for making contact.
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
And people who do that are probably intoxicated a lot of the time too. They think they're way more bad-azz while drunk just like every other person in the world.
It's probably a combination of one or both of those factors most of the time.
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
And people who do that are probably intoxicated a lot of the time too. They think they're way more bad-azz while drunk just like every other person in the world.
It's probably a combination of one or both of those factors most of the time.
The only thing a catcaller requires is a sense of entitlement to women. These aren't obnoxious drunks, they're every day men that feel they are entitled to women in some way. That's why they often get violent when challenged.
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Where there's smoke, there's fire.
And people who do that are probably intoxicated a lot of the time too. They think they're way more bad-azz while drunk just like every other person in the world.
It's probably a combination of one or both of those factors most of the time.
The only thing a catcaller requires is a sense of entitlement to women. These aren't obnoxious drunks, they're every day men that feel they are entitled to women in some way. That's why they often get violent when challenged.
Yep, the people often most prone-to-violence are ones with already huge-egos, combined with alcohol on top of it. Obviously doesn't mean they drink all the time either.
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Yeah I'm sure some that do it every once in awhile don't drink. But if you think about it "cat-calling" sounds like stereotypical intoxicated behavior whether they actually are or not.
Fake people have a tendency to "say what they're really thinking" while drunk for one thing.
Yeah I'm sure some that do it every once in awhile don't drink. But if you think about it "cat-calling" sounds like stereotypical intoxicated behavior whether they actually are or not.
Fake people have a tendency to "say what they're really thinking" while drunk for one thing.
Oh my god... you can't possibly be this dense. Alcohol has nothing to do with catcalling. The problem comes from men's warped views of entitlement. Alcohol isn't the problem, and labeling catcalling 'drunken behavior' only creates an excuse for the behavior. It's unacceptable, whether the dude's been drinking or not.
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I don't actually believe that alcohol is a factor the majority of the time because alcohol reduces inhibitions- it does not create volition out of thin air.
...but let's say it is a driving force behind the vast majority of cat calling and escalated situations?
That doesn't really change the fact that it is a pervasive problem whether alcohol is a huge factor or not- it still happens frequently, it's still most often a form of intimidation, it can still often escalate into a dangerous situation. So the fact that alcohol may or may not be involved is pretty much as relevant as saying that like, people who wear the color green are more or less likely to instigate this kind of behavior. People are going to continue to wear the color green and as far as I know the color green will not be across the board outlawed everywhere.
I mean, ideally it would give some clue as to how to stop it, but alcohol is prevalent in various parts of the world and beyond that- intimidation of this nature [and worse] occurs in countries where alcohol is strictly forbidden, so I'm not sure the theory stands up.
Saying alcohol is to blame is a really simple way to look at the problem. The people who do it are to blame and the culture that perpetuates it is to blame- that includes anyone who looks the other way by saying the individuals instigating these acts are not actually responsible.
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