What do you think about Unilateralism in Politics

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20 Dec 2015, 4:53 pm

I would like to Poland despite the fact that we are not a superpower ware more unilateralism.

Like for exemple International Court Forbidden Japan Whaling (i did not like Whalers) but UN Court told Japan to stop but Shinzō Abe gave s**t about it :mrgreen:
http://www.sciencealert.com/japan-stuns ... espite-ban

The same story about Russia, they annexed Crimean Peninsula, my heart is with Ukrainian, but the world leaders condemned but Putin gave s**t about it.

I want Poland have such Politician, who think about own nation first!



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20 Dec 2015, 7:25 pm

In both cases, the politicians weren't thinking about their country, mainly.
Putin is a strategist, who thinks of his reputation in russia, first, and it hurt his country dearly, with the US scaling up oil production, and the subsequent price drop on russia's #1export good.
Putin is considered a dick by the rest of the world.

Japan's decisions on whaling are only backed by japanese who hold the argument that foreigners should not interfere with whatever japan decides to do. There is no majority for whaling per se.
The japanese are considered dicks for it by the rest of the world.

Unilateralism is the way to be considered a dick in the international community.
I think poland is not important enough for anyone to care, though, much like no one cares about the extreme right in hungary.
It'll only make your country less important, less of a team player, and really, it has historically been between russia and europe, and with putin acting the way he does, do you really not want to be in anybody's team?


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21 Dec 2015, 3:35 am

shlaifu wrote:
In both cases, the politicians weren't thinking about their country, mainly.
Putin is a strategist, who thinks of his reputation in russia, first, and it hurt his country dearly, with the US scaling up oil production, and the subsequent price drop on russia's #1export good.
Putin is considered a dick by the rest of the world.

Japan's decisions on whaling are only backed by japanese who hold the argument that foreigners should not interfere with whatever japan decides to do. There is no majority for whaling per se.
The japanese are considered dicks for it by the rest of the world.

Unilateralism is the way to be considered a dick in the international community.
I think poland is not important enough for anyone to care, though, much like no one cares about the extreme right in hungary.
It'll only make your country less important, less of a team player, and really, it has historically been between russia and europe, and with putin acting the way he does, do you really not want to be in anybody's team?



So is better to be team player, in world politics than solo player.



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21 Dec 2015, 4:13 am

Team players are treated like vassals.

Poland refusing to take Muslim invaders looks better every day.

Poking the bear with NATO tanks along the border and anti missile defenses, will get Poland vaporized.

Ukraine is no ones friend. They have lost to the rebels, lost to the Rights Sector, and try to get Poland into a war with Russia. NATO will not defend Ukraine, nor the Polish Army in Ukraine.

The history of Poland is the history of being independent, don't give up now.

Thanks for stopping the Turks at Vienna.



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21 Dec 2015, 5:40 am

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Team players are treated like vassals.

Poland refusing to take Muslim invaders looks better every day.

Poking the bear with NATO tanks along the border and anti missile defenses, will get Poland vaporized.

Ukraine is no ones friend. They have lost to the rebels, lost to the Rights Sector, and try to get Poland into a war with Russia. NATO will not defend Ukraine, nor the Polish Army in Ukraine.

The history of Poland is the history of being independent, don't give up now.

Thanks for stopping the Turks at Vienna.


Thanks :D



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21 Dec 2015, 6:06 am

Poland, unlike Ukraine, is part of the EU and NATO. It already decided to play on the west's team.

Being independent so far really only worked out well for switzerland, which is surrounded by a group of countries that decided to work together. They are an island in, what you can call, in terms of international politics, a very calm sea. Even if the EU is striggling, no one's planning on extending his borders to zurich.


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21 Dec 2015, 10:42 am

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Switzerland was neutral when europe was NOT "calm waters" during both World Wars. Its an oddball country.
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Thats right that Poland is now part of both the EU and NATO. Doesnt have much choice but to be a team player.

Ironically much of the reason Putin is so beligerant is because the West broke its agreement made with Moscow back in the Reagan/Gorbachev era to "not extend NATO east of the newly reunited Germany" to provoke Russia.

So Poland (along with a dozen other former Warsaw pact east European countries, and a number of former republics of the USSR itself) who joined NATO in the last 25 years really should not BE in NATO in the first place.

Poland was meant to be part of a neutral buffer zone between Russia and NATO. So ironically Poland was supposed be its own military free agent.

But you all wanted to join the party, and we all allowed you in. So the bed is made. We all have to sleep in it as it is.



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21 Dec 2015, 11:07 am

I believe in the absolute sovereignty of the United States. The supreme law of the US is the US Constitution, international law only exists by how you can enforce it which is more muscling up on smaller countries than actual law. It's all one big charade.



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21 Dec 2015, 2:26 pm

National law only exists by how you can enforce it, too. It's also about muscling up on citizens who don't like it.


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21 Dec 2015, 2:37 pm

Why care what other people think as long as you do what is right?

For that matter, I cannot respect any politician who compromises his principles to "get along" with other politicians.



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21 Dec 2015, 3:33 pm

And what do you think about Russia, case of annexing Crimean Peninsula against Western objection, Japan whaling in Antarctica despite it bring all Liberals and animal lovers in EU into amok :mrgreen:

Or Erdogan in Turkey who behave more like Ottoman Sultan than prime minister of democratic country :mrgreen:



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21 Dec 2015, 9:15 pm

And my Polish friend, is there a lesson there?

Those who are objecting to the EU converting them to Islam, are Eastern European.

They are forming a resistance group, building fences, defending themselves.

Eastern Europe are not treated as equal human beings.

All of them were once mighty powers, had Empires, fought other Empires.

For all of my life we lived in fear of, The Warsaw Pact.

Avoid the plight of Ukraine, chose East or West, chose to be a block of nations between east and west.

The lines are being drawn by immigration.

Western Europe is rich and industrial, Eastern Europe makes great black bread, cabbage soup, and piroshky.

Poland is more religious than the Vatican State. It is the deepest reserve of Christian Values.

Do the right thing, Pray for Western Europe, it will cause their secular multicultural ears to burst into flames.

They can reject religion in their own countries, but cannot object to outside religions. They give in to Islam, hit them with a Latin Mass.

Russia will give you anything to be a buffer State.

Form a Political Union with Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungry, Slovakia, and everyone will be treating you nice and bringing you presents.

Eastern Europe is poised to be a world player with coming civil war in Western Europe.



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23 Dec 2015, 4:20 pm

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And my Polish friend, is there a lesson there?

Those who are objecting to the EU converting them to Islam, are Eastern European.

They are forming a resistance group, building fences, defending themselves.

Eastern Europe are not treated as equal human beings.

All of them were once mighty powers, had Empires, fought other Empires.

For all of my life we lived in fear of, The Warsaw Pact.

Avoid the plight of Ukraine, chose East or West, chose to be a block of nations between east and west.

The lines are being drawn by immigration.

Western Europe is rich and industrial, Eastern Europe makes great black bread, cabbage soup, and piroshky.

Poland is more religious than the Vatican State. It is the deepest reserve of Christian Values.

Do the right thing, Pray for Western Europe, it will cause their secular multicultural ears to burst into flames.

They can reject religion in their own countries, but cannot object to outside religions. They give in to Islam, hit them with a Latin Mass.

Russia will give you anything to be a buffer State.

Form a Political Union with Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungry, Slovakia, and everyone will be treating you nice and bringing you presents.

Eastern Europe is poised to be a world player with coming civil war in Western Europe.


It's kind of funny, once I watched a very funny comedy about "the Polish Army," it was our home production, this film was the scene in which soldiers learn about signals of code, one soldier says one of these supposed codes that supposedly means he "RED ALARM , NATO forces are attacking Warsaw, "a sergeant chief says ignore it, it is no longer up to date, unfortunately, history played a cruel trick on us, NATO is now we :-)



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23 Dec 2015, 9:16 pm

On our side, the comic Pogo, a possum living in a swamp, who is drafted for some war. They go forth, and meeting the enemy, report, "We have met the enemy, and they is us,"

I can see Poland joining the EU. Free trade, travel, being part of greater Europe.

Joining NATO is saying lets have a war in Poland.

I can see free trade and travel within the EU. No one said, and resettle all the people of Nigeria, the Islamic lands, through Europe. That was not part of the deal. Nor was half of India and China.

We welcome all people who are Catholic, and speak Polish, tolerate Europeans, but reject the idea of becoming a colony of China, Islam, or India.

As for war with Russia, they are your customers for meat, milk, apples, produce, and used German cars. They also pay in low cost tobacco that sells for a lot in western Europe.

The US State Department failed in Ukraine, to steal the Russian Navel Base in Crimea. It was non NATO, non EU, now Poland is expected to pay for Americas failures.

Withdraw from NATO, drop the sanctions, join with Russia as an equal to the EU deal, be the trade block between trade blocks, with membership in both.

Poland has survived as a land and culture, you are tough, or stubborn, maybe just dumb, but it worked. Poland could not be removed by war, conquest, being given to the Soviets, by Churchill, and revived before the EU. Poland does not need NATO. Poland does not need to be ruled from Brussels.

Poland First! Because what else do you have?



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24 Dec 2015, 7:42 am

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On our side, the comic Pogo, a possum living in a swamp, who is drafted for some war. They go forth, and meeting the enemy, report, "We have met the enemy, and they is us,"

I can see Poland joining the EU. Free trade, travel, being part of greater Europe.

Joining NATO is saying lets have a war in Poland.

I can see free trade and travel within the EU. No one said, and resettle all the people of Nigeria, the Islamic lands, through Europe. That was not part of the deal. Nor was half of India and China.

We welcome all people who are Catholic, and speak Polish, tolerate Europeans, but reject the idea of becoming a colony of China, Islam, or India.

As for war with Russia, they are your customers for meat, milk, apples, produce, and used German cars. They also pay in low cost tobacco that sells for a lot in western Europe.

The US State Department failed in Ukraine, to steal the Russian Navel Base in Crimea. It was non NATO, non EU, now Poland is expected to pay for Americas failures.

Withdraw from NATO, drop the sanctions, join with Russia as an equal to the EU deal, be the trade block between trade blocks, with membership in both.

Poland has survived as a land and culture, you are tough, or stubborn, maybe just dumb, but it worked. Poland could not be removed by war, conquest, being given to the Soviets, by Churchill, and revived before the EU. Poland does not need NATO. Poland does not need to be ruled from Brussels.

Poland First! Because what else do you have?


So Obama did on Ukraine really was very stupid, but on the other hand, the Ukrainian people have the full right to self-determination, and Putin is either blind or too stupid not to see this.

Probably planner from the White House keen on taking over the Black Sea Fleet base in Odessa, unfortunately, a miscalculated because the Russians have a naval base there its back to the before the the Soviet era, the base was there for the tsarist regime. When the Americans tried to take it over Russia's reaction was predictable.

As well you can predict what the response was to the US, if the Cubans at the instigation of Russia tried to take over the US naval base at Guantanamo :mrgreen:



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24 Dec 2015, 2:16 pm

The Ukraine people do have rights, the Russian speaking east and south elected a President, he was overthrown.

It was a Coup.

The East and South would still vote Russian. More than half the country speaks Russian.

Ukraine and Novo Russia are different countries, language, customs, world view.

An election where the party that won the last election is not allowed, or the Communists, is not an election.

Western Ukraine and the Bandera and Rights Sector have killed 8,000, bankrupted a very poor country, defaulted on their debt, produced runaway inflation, are managing Ukraine into another famine.

The up side is Russia has taken in over a million, Russian speaking, families with children, just what Russia needs.

Kiev is failing fast, and refusing to hold the elections promised in the cease fire agreement. A new Constitution, a Federal System, with each Oblast electing their own Governors.

Democratic elections, local rule, are the way to secure the lives of the people.

The EU will not open the door and let ten million move to western Europe.

Local, National, and Regional stability has to come from the people who live there.