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10 Nov 2016, 12:19 pm

Obamacare has only been around for about 5 years. I'm being told if it's repealed thousands of people are going to die. So what about all the time before Obamacare? As far as I know, most people got health insurance through their employer either for free or they just had to make a small co-pay. Now, again from what little I know, their employers were forced to end this type of insurance and instead give them something that now cost their employees hundreds of dollars a month, and has a much higher deductible and covers less cost of medical bills.

My aunt's health insurance was provided by her employer (she has a low paying menial job). It had a $200 deductible and paid like 70% of her medical bill. Now she pays $200 per month (as a single person, it's much higher for covering children too) and has a huge deductible. The last thing she had done under her employer's health care was a minor surgery that cost over $10,000. She ended up paying very little of that. She says with the deductible and smaller percent that's covered now by Obamacare, she'd would have to pay most of that.

So how is Obamacare better? Why shouldn't it be repealed?



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10 Nov 2016, 12:25 pm

Employers weren't forced to stop providing insurance coverage.
My employer still does. No co-pays for office visits, mail order prescription drugs, and physicals.

But, as healthcare costs rose, many employers either cut back on coverage, or eliminated it entirely.



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10 Nov 2016, 12:36 pm

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Employers weren't forced to stop providing insurance coverage.
My employer still does. No co-pays for office visits, mail order prescription drugs, and physicals.

But, as healthcare costs rose, many employers either cut back on coverage, or eliminated it entirely.


Her employer fought for a couple of years after the "affordable healthcare" act was put into place to maintain it's free heath care system but were forced to end it. Providing free health care was a big deal to the CEO and he was very unhappy about having to end it. They weren't forced to end health care coverage altogether, but they were forced to end free heath care and put an expensive healthcare plan in it's place. The difference was is the free health care had like a $100,000 cap. Forcing caps to be removed is what caused this new expensive high deductible low coverage plan. If people wanted a no cap healthcare plan they had to pay hundreds into, it should have been an optional plan, not a mandatory one.



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10 Nov 2016, 12:41 pm

Last year around tax time, I was unemployed. When I filed my taxes I was subject to a penalty because I didn't have health care. I forget the amount last year but I saw something on TV where it is $695 this year. Instead of penalizing someone for being unemployed and not having health insurance there ought to be some way if someone is struggling financially to not add to their burden. I will always be a lifelong democrat but this is one area I disagreed with Obama.



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10 Nov 2016, 12:47 pm

Medicaid and Medicare exist apart from Obamacare. If Obamacare were repealed and replaced, Medicaid and Medicare would still exist. Moreover, the "replace" part of Trump's plan would substitute Obamacare with another option.


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10 Nov 2016, 12:50 pm

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Last year around tax time, I was unemployed. When I filed my taxes I was subject to a penalty because I didn't have health care. I forget the amount last year but I saw something on TV where it is $695 this year. Instead of penalizing someone for being unemployed and not having health insurance there ought to be some way if someone is struggling financially to not add to their burden. I will always be a lifelong democrat but this is one area I disagreed with Obama.


That's absolutely awful. The thing is, far as I know, this mess isn't what Obama intended. But the whole thing got botched. I heard he either didn't implement it right or didn't follow through enough on it and let it get warped.



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10 Nov 2016, 12:51 pm

What our employer does is to fund an account to pay for the first $1500? Thus, we have an incentive to keep costs down. We do have to pay if we empty the fund, until the deductible kicks in.

There are big companies with really good health care--people lucky enough to work for places like Hartford Steam Boiler can choose from a number of offerings from several insurance companies.



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10 Nov 2016, 12:59 pm

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Medicaid and Medicare exist apart from Obamacare. If Obamacare were repealed and replaced, Medicaid and Medicare would still exist. Moreover, the "replace" part of Trump's plan would substitute Obamacare with another option.


See that's what I think he wants. I remember him saying something like Obamacare is only good if you get hit by a tractor because the deductibles are so high. That sounded to me like he wanted to put a heath care plan into efffect that actually is affordable. Not that he just wants to end everyone's healthcare because he's some kind of sociopath or whatever.

Edit: hey wow I found the video



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10 Nov 2016, 1:06 pm

EzraS wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Medicaid and Medicare exist apart from Obamacare. If Obamacare were repealed and replaced, Medicaid and Medicare would still exist. Moreover, the "replace" part of Trump's plan would substitute Obamacare with another option.

See that's what I think he wants. I remember him saying something like Obamacare is only good if you get hit by a Komatsu tractor because the deductibles are so high. That sounded to me like he wanted to put a heath care plan into efffect that actually is affordable. Not that he just wants to end everyone's healthcare because he's some kind of sociopath or whatever.

Edit: hey wow I found the video


That, and the idea that many congressional Republicans remember trying to adopt a federal government program of supplying free, private, major-medical healthcare insurance policies where the policy holder pays 20 percent of healthcare costs up to an annual maximum. Of course, people on Medicaid and Medicare will remain there and not need a major-medical policy. So, maybe Trump will join a resurrection of that idea.


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10 Nov 2016, 1:13 pm

EzraS wrote:
Obamacare has only been around for about 5 years. I'm being told if it's repealed thousands of people are going to die. So what about all the time before Obamacare? As far as I know, most people got health insurance through their employer either for free or they just had to make a small co-pay. Now, again from what little I know, their employers were forced to end this type of insurance and instead give them something that now cost their employees hundreds of dollars a month, and has a much higher deductible and covers less cost of medical bills.

My aunt's health insurance was provided by her employer (she has a low paying menial job). It had a $200 deductible and paid like 70% of her medical bill. Now she pays $200 per month (as a single person, it's much higher for covering children too) and has a huge deductible. The last thing she had done under her employer's health care was a minor surgery that cost over $10,000. She ended up paying very little of that. She says with the deductible and smaller percent that's covered now by Obamacare, she'd would have to pay most of that.

So how is Obamacare better? Why shouldn't it be repealed?


This is what I'm talking about - the working class health insurance SUCKS! while Medicaid is getting all the benefits. Obamacare was made to get rid of the middle class.


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10 Nov 2016, 1:13 pm

I switched the video because in that one he was getting into a bunch of stuff, and I just want to focus solely on the Obamacare issue.



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10 Nov 2016, 1:18 pm

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This is what I'm talking about - the working class health insurance SUCKS! while Medicaid is getting all the benefits. Obamacare was made to get rid of the middle class.


I'm just wondering why more working class people aren't saying this. Is it because they're democrats and they don't want the republicans to end it even though it sucks, because Obama put it into place?

(Just for the record, I'm not a republican)



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10 Nov 2016, 1:20 pm

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Last year around tax time, I was unemployed. When I filed my taxes I was subject to a penalty because I didn't have health care. I forget the amount last year but I saw something on TV where it is $695 this year. Instead of penalizing someone for being unemployed and not having health insurance there ought to be some way if someone is struggling financially to not add to their burden. I will always be a lifelong democrat but this is one area I disagreed with Obama.


When I was unemployed, I couldn't afford Obamacare. I found one company in the whole nation that still provided catastrophic Healthcare so I could afford surgery or any traumatic problem. Thank God I finally got a job because I kept getting Obamacare letters saying I didn't have enough insurance and would have to purchase some form of Obamacare. The old system at least has catastrophic insurance. If I couldn't afford Obamacare, I know other lowerclass people can't - what are they doing?


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10 Nov 2016, 1:24 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Aspinator wrote:
Last year around tax time, I was unemployed. When I filed my taxes I was subject to a penalty because I didn't have health care. I forget the amount last year but I saw something on TV where it is $695 this year. Instead of penalizing someone for being unemployed and not having health insurance there ought to be some way if someone is struggling financially to not add to their burden. I will always be a lifelong democrat but this is one area I disagreed with Obama.


When I was unemployed, I couldn't afford Obamacare. I found one company in the whole nation that still provided catastrophic Healthcare so I could afford surgery or any traumatic problem. Thank God I finally got a job because I kept getting Obamacare letters saying I didn't have enough insurance and would have to purchase some form of Obamacare. The old system at least has catastrophic insurance. If I couldn't afford Obamacare, I know other lowerclass people can't - what are they doing?


Probably going without health insurance and paying the $695 fine because that's more affordable than an insurance policy that costs two or three times more then $695 per year and doesn't do them any good unless something catastrophic happens to them. Who knows, maybe Hilary would have doubled the fine.



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10 Nov 2016, 1:25 pm

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nurseangela wrote:
This is what I'm talking about - the working class health insurance SUCKS! while Medicaid is getting all the benefits. Obamacare was made to get rid of the middle class.


I'm just wondering why more working class people aren't saying this. Is it because they're democrats and they don't want the republicans to end it even though it sucks, because Obama put it into place?

(Just for the record, I'm not a republican)


It's all over the Republican stations - that's the problem. That's what Wikileaks was talking about when it said the media is Leftist. You won't be hearing anything negative about Obamacare on Democratic stations. Some of the people on the radio are calling in crying because they will be forced to pay $1000-2000 a month with deductibles of $6000-10000! No one can afford that! Employers are lowering hours so employees can be cut out of getting health insurance through their employer. Listen to some Right news sources.


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10 Nov 2016, 1:28 pm

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Last year around tax time, I was unemployed. When I filed my taxes I was subject to a penalty because I didn't have health care. I forget the amount last year but I saw something on TV where it is $695 this year. Instead of penalizing someone for being unemployed and not having health insurance there ought to be some way if someone is struggling financially to not add to their burden. I will always be a lifelong democrat but this is one area I disagreed with Obama.


When I was unemployed, I couldn't afford Obamacare. I found one company in the whole nation that still provided catastrophic Healthcare so I could afford surgery or any traumatic problem. Thank God I finally got a job because I kept getting Obamacare letters saying I didn't have enough insurance and would have to purchase some form of Obamacare. The old system at least has catastrophic insurance. If I couldn't afford Obamacare, I know other lowerclass people can't - what are they doing?


Probably going without health insurance and paying the $695 fine because that's more affordable than an insurance policy that costs two or three times more then $695 per year and doesn't do them any good unless something catastrophic happens to them.


Just because they pay the fine doesn't mean they have any health insurance - they don't. AND the fine is going to keep increasing because it's a penalty for choosing not to have any health insurance - it doesn't include any health insurance.


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