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29 Dec 2016, 3:48 pm

I will say that I voted for Donald Trump. I don't like the direction the country has gone in over the last 8 years of Obama. When Obama was first elected back in 2008, I wan't old enough to vote. I was not a fan of him then, but I was willing to give him a chance. He turned out to be much worse than I expected. I'm not the biggest Trump fan either, but I am willing to give him a chance. Yes, Trump has flaws and he can say some ridiculous things, but the alternative in my opinion was much worse. I am just glad we don't have Hillary Clinton. I am a conservative so I pretty much vote republican. If Trump had not been the nominee, I would have voted for whoever the republican nominee would have been.



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29 Dec 2016, 3:59 pm

I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, I voted for Jill Stien I don't identify with the republican or democratic party. I have been more willing to give trump a chance than I likely give the impression of, however thus far I haven't been impressed. Even though at least 52% of the population wants cannabis legalized(probably more) so he wants to pick an attorney general who is totally anti-cannabis legalization and rescheduling.

Then he wants a guy who doesn't believe in climate change to head the EPA, not that the EPA was necessarily competent before that with that whole chemical spill when they were investigating an old mine near some river. But I mean come on even if you question how much humans contribute to global warming/climate change....its willful ignorance to claim it simply doesn't exist.

I guess on the bright side my opinion of him can't really get much lower, so it is likely he wont end up being quite as bad as I expect.


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29 Dec 2016, 5:36 pm

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31 Dec 2016, 10:08 pm

I voted for Johnson, though I wish I'd learned about McMullin sooner.


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01 Jan 2017, 1:15 am

My opinion on the matter is Trump is demonized more than he should be, but is still a racist and prejudiced womanizer. The electoral college probably took him because nobody likes the baggage of being Hillary Clinton, with deleted emails, dooming people to die, and general corruption, but more likely for the fact that Trump is more like Hillary 2.0. Their policies are pretty much identical, but the way they execute it separates them into democrat or republican.
I was unable to vote that day, but I would have voted for Gary or McMullin. :ninja:
However, I would like to add that in some ways, Trump is a potential gift to democracy. His election means that the door for outsiders like Bernie Sanders or Clarence Darrow are more open for many more to run for office. Like many people sick of politics, we relate better to someone who isn't a politician, even if he is spurious, biased, or incomprehensible.


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01 Jan 2017, 2:10 am

Had I voted, I would have voted for Clinton based on experience.

Regarding Trump, I'm not sure if he's all that more prejudiced than most other people, or just more honest and up front about it. As for belief in his abilities, I'm ambivalent. In some ways he strikes me as very savvy and capable. In other ways he seems rather foolish. Which is probably the case with most or all former presidents and politicians in general.



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01 Jan 2017, 2:22 am

BeggingTurtle wrote:
His election means that the door for outsiders like Bernie Sanders or Clarence Darrow are more open for many more to run for office.


i guess that's true. we've seen now how sick many americans are with the "establishment" and want to see change brought in from the outside.

then he had to turn around and appoint some of the wealthiest, most establishment type individuals conceivable for his cabinet.

if only bernie were some 20 years younger. i don't necessarily "feel the bern", but i could support a 2020 run if his if he weren't on life support by that point.

i voted for johnson. my state (CA) was going to the democrats no matter what happened so, i don't think my vote mattered there.


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01 Jan 2017, 5:36 pm

I did not vote for Trump. I voted for Clinton, because as bad as she was, I thought she'd be better for our country, regardless. I don't know how much of a racist Trump is in private life, but because he had gained the support of the Alt Right, as well as millions of ordinary bigots who have been too afraid to say outloud what they've always been thinking... till now, I think Trump's unleashed something ugly in our country.


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01 Jan 2017, 5:51 pm

I voted for Jim Hedges of the Prohibition Party; a candidate I found to be decent and mainly agreeable on policy. I'm glad that he ended up producing the Prohibition Party's largest national vote results since 1988. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/prohibition-on-the-march



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02 Jan 2017, 2:48 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't know how much of a racist Trump is in private life, but because he had gained the support of the Alt Right, as well as millions of ordinary bigots who have been too afraid to say outloud what they've always been thinking... till now, I think Trump's unleashed something ugly in our country.


yeah. i'm just hoping the "trump won so now it's OK to to act uncivilized" meme dies out soon.


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02 Jan 2017, 1:55 pm

Voted Johnson, might have voted Trump if I lived in a state that wasn't deep blue (that electoral college cuts both ways). I'm fairly ambivalent about the man himself, but I've been absolutely delighted at the reactions he's been causing, the last 2 months of 2016 were a positive shower of schadenfreude for me.


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02 Jan 2017, 2:02 pm

yelekam wrote:
I voted for Jim Hedges of the Prohibition Party; a candidate I found to be decent and mainly agreeable on policy. I'm glad that he ended up producing the Prohibition Party's largest national vote results since 1988. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/prohibition-on-the-march


Prohibition party is a joke.


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02 Jan 2017, 3:07 pm

yelekam wrote:
I voted for Jim Hedges of the Prohibition Party; a candidate I found to be decent and mainly agreeable on policy. I'm glad that he ended up producing the Prohibition Party's largest national vote results since 1988. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/prohibition-on-the-march


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Prohibition party is a joke.


I appreciate moral free-agency / executive function.

But, most people wouldn't know what to do with it.

There are, frankly, very few people, who I would entrust with my own belongings, or even with themselves.

I think the political question, of all times, is how to encumber those people, without becoming encumbered by them, how to preoccupy them, without getting too preoccupied.

But, I think that most people would self-destruct, the more rights / privileges / toys they are given.

Think of what they can do with alcohol, tobacco, subsidized, staple foods, and legally-prescribed drugs.

I don't personally have a problem with those things, whether for or against.

But, freedom can be dangerous, to those who don't deserve it -- like that genie that grants wishes in ironic ways.



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02 Jan 2017, 3:23 pm

I doubt whether any of these ideas were formalized, at the time, but believe the Founders left the People to their dialectics and were themselves abstentionists -- rich, Renaissance men, in support of protectionism, when it protected their own business interests.

They assumed the situation could become unbearable, in time, in simple, universal terms, relatable to the petting zoo, children's nursery, or even exopolitcs. The expression, 'nature's god,' was not a matter of religious nuance.

Which candidate was the most-fitting example, if any.



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02 Jan 2017, 3:24 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
yelekam wrote:
I voted for Jim Hedges of the Prohibition Party; a candidate I found to be decent and mainly agreeable on policy. I'm glad that he ended up producing the Prohibition Party's largest national vote results since 1988. https://www.theodysseyonline.com/prohibition-on-the-march


Sweetleaf wrote:
Prohibition party is a joke.


I appreciate moral free-agency / executive function.

But, most people wouldn't know what to do with it.

There are, frankly, very few people, who I would entrust with my own belongings, or even with themselves.

I think the political question, of all times, is how to encumber those people, without becoming encumbered by them, how to preoccupy them, without getting too preoccupied.

But, I think that most people would self-destruct, the more rights / privileges / toys they are given.

Think of what they can do with alcohol, tobacco, subsidized, staple foods, and legally-prescribed drugs.

I don't personally have a problem with those things, whether for or against.

But, freedom can be dangerous, to those who don't deserve it -- like that genie that grants wishes in ironic ways.


Who is deserving of freedom? And what happens to those who aren't deserving of it?


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02 Jan 2017, 3:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Who is deserving of freedom?

Sentient people.

Kraichgauer wrote:
And what happens to those who aren't deserving of it?

They hurt themselves, when left to their own devices.