Fascism/Communism not just horseshoe - they ARE the same!

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Dinesh D'Souza w/ Stefan Molyneux

Quoting that alt-right hackjob and convicted felon is not making your case look much better. He is about as honest as Michael Moore.

This idea comes from history. British and American economist, historian and writer Antony C. Sutton (1925-2002) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton ) wrote several books about the conflation of Fascism and Communism and how various governments played along by arming and financing proxy nations like the Soviet Union and the German Reich.

except that communism, at the time it came up, was conceived as a path of progress, that would overturn the relations of ownership, and fascism was the reaction, that attempted to reestablish the existing relations of ownership.

where communism saw enemies of its ideology, fascism had to create an external enemy to its society - the jew - for the model to function.

and eventually capitalism works on the ideology that anyone could, by himself, change the relations of ownership through his own work. Turns out, it isn't true either.

...so, what's the point in molyneux's claims? - except trying to elevate neonazis to the level of oppressed minority, similar to say, transgender people?

If I understood the context right I think he and Dinesh were suggesting, perhaps as much for would-be alt-right consumption, that fascism is simply the same poison as communism served in more jingoistic packaging and that they might want to hold up Richard Spencer in the same light that they'd hold up Cass Sunstein. From there they seemed to be contemplating how we ever came to hold them at opposite ends of a political spectrum, which is something that typically didn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. One can perhaps suggest more of a monarchist flavor to fascism than communism and maybe that scent of monarchism might make someone to think it's a conservative-authoritarian thing where as communism is more of a progressive-totalitarian thing, but really I suppose when you think about it most brands of despotism have a way of blending together. I'm not even sure whether the political structure of a benign despotism, like the kingdom of UAE, is a whole lot different but that later piece is something I'd have to check up on more (ie. I tend to think it has more to do with the personality of the leader and the country's financial straights but that could be naively simple).

Actually they aren't the same. The fascists could only dream of killing as many people as the communists actually did.

They are not the same-----but, in practical terms, in the "real world," they both manifest similarly.

I believe that figuring out an agreed definition of Fascism in the first place is hard work.

Then you start to compare and contrast what went on in Germany, Italy and Spain in the 20th century and the groups can differ significantly. In Hungary the far right resisted cooperation with the Nazis, whether this was because they weren't Fascist enough or Hungarian enough I don't know (probably both), it hurts to study that kind of stuff. The Ustase were a seriously nasty bunch as well.

What I have found is that ALL sides use the tried and tested Fascistic methods, but generally speaking the actual Fascists kill something like twice as many people .

I find that Stefan Molyneux is impossible to take seriously. Here's why.

WARNING: You may die laughing.
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In theory, they're not. In practice... you're actually kinda right. Communism should be a great system, if you go by its original meaning, but the way it usually works out, it ends up being a totalitarian nightmare, just like fascism. f**k totalitarianism in all its forms.

That's what perhaps happened, and Communism seems to have a more direct link to a global caliphate mindset, however I do remember Germany and Italy acting similarly imperial in their land grabs. Aside from a few cosmetic tweaks these look like by and large the same product.

This will probably bewilder your mindset but - I tend to take ideas over people.

You can't piss on anti-fascism in one thread and then pretend to be antifascist in another. It doesn't work that way.

Who was I pissing on? Oh yeah... now I remember....



And sorry, I'm not looking to a bunch of black-masked meth heads to protect me.

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Actually, you were pissing on people who are ideologically opposed to National Socialism. But, when has an alt-righter like yourself ever let facts get in the way of your narrative?