Creationists: This is your chance to prove yourselves.

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Hi all.

I have a confession to make. In the past, I've been a tad harsh towards creationists ... maybe.

In this thread, I am going to give the creationists a chance to prove themselves. If the creationists want to be taken seriously, there are many questions that they must answer.

1. Human chromosome 2 looks suspiciously like a fusion of chimpanzee chromosome 2p and chimpanzee chromosome 2q.



Is this just a coincidence? Did God make it look that way? Why would he do that?

2. Explain the existence of dinosaur/bird creatures such as Archaeopteryx/Microraptor/Yi qi/Anchiornis/Icthyornis/Hesperornis/Confuciusornis. What are they? If birds are not descendants of dinosaurs, why did God put the bones of dino/bird creatures underground?

3. Explain creatures like Icthyostega/Acanthostega/Pederpes/Ventastega/Tiktaalik. Are they fish? Are they amphibians? Why do they look like both?

4. Explain the existence of stratigraphy. Gorillas cannot swim very well. Why are their bones only found in the upper rock layers? If the great flood story were true, we would probably find gorilla remains in the lower layers, not the top layers.

I know what some of you are thinking right now. "What about the evolution of the eye?"

First of all, evolutionary biologists have spoken about this before. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eye
Second of all, even if the evolutionary biologists are wrong about the evolution of the eye, everything that I said about the fossil record is still true. Therefore, creationists still need to explain the suspicious fossil record even if they prove that some life forms in this world are irreducibly complex.

If you just believe in the Bible because of faith, don't bother responding to this thread. You can believe what you like, but if you are going to convince other people that you are correct, you need an argument more sophisticated than "... because God said so."

One thing we must remember: people who believe in Creationism are, by and large, not basing their belief upon a scientific mode of thought. They are basing it on "faith" and "belief."

I am a firm evolutionist.

There are a few creationists who attempt to defend their beliefs using science. They sometimes make some fairly clever points, though these points don't stand up in the face of scientific scrutiny.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

Yep....some of them do try, and try hard.

I knew a person studying physics who claimed there was "something missing" when it came to theoretical quantum physics. He felt like that "something missing" was God. He doesn't bother to put this notion through any sort of scientific scrutiny. He just "believes."

Extending a similar olive branch to the Flat Earthers and John Frums might also be classy.

But the Earth isn't flat. If it was, we would be reading about people falling off it, and floating in space.

Shh! That's for his 'Flat Earthers: This Is Your Chance To Prove Yourselves' thread.

In actuality, I find this would be an interesting thread should the Flat Earthers and the Creationists come out and express their views.

As long as we all get along

Science was originally called "natural philosophy".

In other words, science is supposed to study what the universe is doing when God isn't acting upon it. Even Christian scientists usually agree with this.

No.

As I grow older and become more mature, I get better at listing to people who I disagree with ... but I still have my limits.

If you want me to listen to you, you need to be less crazy than a geocentrist. Geocentrism is where I draw the line. Anything beyond that point is a waste of my time.

I don't know how answering these questions prove anything. You are being overly generous to creatonists OP.

I have no problem with somebody who believes the Earth was created in six days, and was created (according to Ussher) in 4004 BC.

As long as that somebody doesn't abuse me for believe the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, and that all creatures evolved through various processes of evolution.

The creationists who piss me off are the ones who say I can't be a real Christian because I know evolution is a fact.

I just wonder what they think about other planets? They picture them as disks floating around in space with water falling off the edges? Also what about the moon...why would the moon be round if planets were flat? Just not sure how anyone could actually believe it is flat unless they are being willfully ignorant.

"It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian.
It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are.
In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation."
- Augustine of Hippo

They think there is a worldwide organization that guards the edge of the earth to prevent people reaching the edge, or something to that effect. Or at least that is what I read somewhere.