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08 Jan 2018, 6:22 pm

I'm sure most of us who have been critical of the sitting President has had this response on forums, and comment boards: "Well, the President is a self made man." Or if you point out that he in fact is not self made, but that he had inherited his money from his successful father, very possibly you would have gotten a response such as: "Well, you couldn't have made all that money like Trump did, even if you first inherited it." What strikes me is, too many of Trump's supporters seem to gauge the worth of a human being by how much money and success he or she has had. The feeling among so many of his supporters seems to be, as Trump is rich and is supposedly such a fantastic businessman, he must be far better than everyone else. I have to wonder, what sort of self hate and loathing do they carry around for their own lack of riches and worldly success? I suspect these are the same people who are contemptuous of intellectuals, and any who are involved in the sciences and the arts.


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08 Jan 2018, 6:35 pm

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I'm sure most of us who have been critical of the sitting President has had this response on forums, and comment boards: "Well, the President is a self made man." Or if you point out that he in fact is not self made, but that he had inherited his money from his successful father, very possibly you would have gotten a response such as: "Well, you couldn't have made all that money like Trump did, even if you first inherited it." What strikes me is, too many of Trump's supporters seem to gauge the worth of a human being by how much money and success he or she has had. The feeling among so many of his supporters seems to be, as Trump is rich and is supposedly such a fantastic businessman, he must be far better than everyone else. I have to wonder, what sort of self hate and loathing do they carry around for their own lack of riches and worldly success? I suspect these are the same people who are contemptuous of intellectuals, and any who are involved in the sciences and the arts.


Yep.

Too many conservatives believe that the free market is fair and just. Ironically, these conservatives will often compare the free market to the natural world ... which is anything but fair and just.

Conservative: "People become rich when they work hard! It's that simple! Donald Trump is rich because he worked hard!"
Me: "Do you work hard?"
Conservative: "Damn right! I didn't waste my money on university! I learned a trade and I work my ass off 5 days a week like a real man! I also work my ass off taking care of my kids!"
Me: "Are you a billionaire yet?"
Conservative: "No. I'm not even a millionaire."
Me: "... and you still think that capitalism is a fair system?"


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08 Jan 2018, 6:48 pm

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I'm sure most of us who have been critical of the sitting President has had this response on forums, and comment boards: "Well, the President is a self made man." Or if you point out that he in fact is not self made, but that he had inherited his money from his successful father, very possibly you would have gotten a response such as: "Well, you couldn't have made all that money like Trump did, even if you first inherited it." What strikes me is, too many of Trump's supporters seem to gauge the worth of a human being by how much money and success he or she has had. The feeling among so many of his supporters seems to be, as Trump is rich and is supposedly such a fantastic businessman, he must be far better than everyone else. I have to wonder, what sort of self hate and loathing do they carry around for their own lack of riches and worldly success? I suspect these are the same people who are contemptuous of intellectuals, and any who are involved in the sciences and the arts.


Yep.

Too many conservatives believe that the free market is fair and just. Ironically, these conservatives will often compare the free market to the natural world ... which is anything but fair and just.

Conservative: "People become rich when they work hard! It's that simple! Donald Trump is rich because he worked hard!"
Me: "Do you work hard?"
Conservative: "Damn right! I didn't waste my money on university! I learned a trade and I work my ass off 5 days a week like a real man! I also work my ass off taking care of my kids!"
Me: "Are you a billionaire yet?"
Conservative: "No. I'm not even a millionaire."
Me: "... and you still think that capitalism is a fair system?"


Or such persons do go to college, but study business, like Trump did. Oh, they know all about making money, but they are completely ignorant of the sciences, history, and the humanities, which would have made them well rounded, interesting, knowledgeable people who have a better understanding of the world around them, had they only bothered to learn them. Once a conservative, the late American author, H.P. Lovecraft, had attended a luncheon thrown by some relatives for the Providence, Rhode Island business community, from which he walked away feeling that he had been exposed to the most intellectually dull people he had ever met. Too many business oriented individuals are as ignorant as the hayseeds and yahoos they attend their teabagger party meetings with.


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08 Jan 2018, 7:04 pm

Lots of people argue that liberal arts is useless. Business majors often talk like this. STEM majors often talk like this. Tradesmen often talk like this.

"You wasted your money on a liberal arts degree? Enjoy working at McDonalds! Haha!"

Do you know who else was into liberal arts? Abe Lincoln. George Washington. John Locke. Thomas Jefferson.

It is true that liberal arts majors often have difficulty making money ... but that's not what liberal arts is all about. Most people who are into liberal arts realize that some things in life are more important than money.

Some people want to make money. Other people want to change the world by educating and empowering the oppressed.


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08 Jan 2018, 7:23 pm

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Lots of people argue that liberal arts is useless. Business majors often talk like this. STEM majors often talk like this. Tradesmen often talk like this.

"You wasted your money on a liberal arts degree? Enjoy working at McDonalds! Haha!"

Do you know who else was into liberal arts? Abe Lincoln. George Washington. John Locke. Thomas Jefferson.

It is true that liberal arts majors often have difficulty making money ... but that's not what liberal arts is all about. Most people who are into liberal arts realize that some things in life are more important than money.

Some people want to make money. Other people want to change the world by educating and empowering the oppressed.


AMEN! I say, AMEN!


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09 Jan 2018, 1:08 pm

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What strikes me is, too many of Trump's supporters seem to gauge the worth of a human being by how much money and success he or she has had

That's the Trump brand ... stop thinking like a loser .. and think like a winner ...

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09 Jan 2018, 1:21 pm

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What strikes me is, too many of Trump's supporters seem to gauge the worth of a human being by how much money and success he or she has had

That's the Trump brand ... stop thinking like a loser .. and think like a winner ...

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I assume every one of those books were ghost written by someone else, as with The Art Of The Deal.
And yes, I am a published writer.


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09 Jan 2018, 1:43 pm

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That's the Trump brand ... stop thinking like a loser .. and think like a winner...


loser: someone with less money

winner: someone with more money


am i reading this correctly?


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09 Jan 2018, 3:33 pm

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That's the Trump brand ... stop thinking like a loser .. and think like a winner...


loser: someone with less money

winner: someone with more money

am i reading this correctly?

"Loser" = someone who lets opportunities pass them by

"Winner" = you learn how to seize opportunities, and get rich, like Trump

So, it doesn't appear surprising that Trump fans would see people in categories of "winners" and "losers".


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09 Jan 2018, 3:53 pm

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"Loser" = someone who lets opportunities pass them by

"Winner" = you learn how to seize opportunities, and get rich, like Trump

So, it doesn't appear surprising that Trump fans would see people in categories of "winners" and "losers".


How rich are you?

How much do you influence American elections?

How has the "winner mentality" been helping you?

It seems to me that the "winner mentality" is the same as the "law of attraction". You can give a pair of balls to hippie crap, but it's still crap.

What about all the Trump supporters who are poor?

If Trump fans really care about being a winner, why do they care about "creating jobs"? If you are a "winner", shouldn't you just become a rich CEO and create jobs yourself?

Why does Trump care about "dangerous immigrants"? They make good employees! If you want to protect yourself from dangerous immigrants, you should just hire a security guard. What? You aren't wealthy enough to hire a personal guard? Why? Are you a loser? Sad!

Why is trump trying to bring back coal jobs? Just get a new job! Stop being a loser! :lol:


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09 Jan 2018, 6:11 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
That's the Trump brand ... stop thinking like a loser .. and think like a winner...


loser: someone with less money

winner: someone with more money

am i reading this correctly?

"Loser" = someone who lets opportunities pass them by

"Winner" = you learn how to seize opportunities, and get rich, like Trump

So, it doesn't appear surprising that Trump fans would see people in categories of "winners" and "losers".


Doesn't owe much to Christian ethics which conservatives are always crowing that they are representative of. It smacks more of that fake religion known popularly as the prosperity gospel.


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09 Jan 2018, 11:23 pm

I'd say they're carrying all the social conditioning they've had since childhood and that the behavior's quite expected. In fact the number of people who don't see it that way is probably what's more interesting.


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12 Jan 2018, 5:50 am

This might be a tad off-topic. If it is, I don't give a damn.

Have I made myself clear yet?

If a conservative ever tells you "Liberals hate the average American." show them this video.


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12 Jan 2018, 6:02 am

How to actually make America great.
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Americans: Make me proud ... and don't trust a false liberal like Obama ever again.


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12 Jan 2018, 8:33 am


Are you getting the message yet?


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12 Jan 2018, 2:35 pm

To be honest, I don't believe I've heard Trump, or any of supporters, refer to him as a "self made man," simply because it's pretty widely known that he inherited a s**t load of money from his rich father. They do, of course, hold him up as a business genius, which is a very contested issue.


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