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21 Feb 2021, 4:50 am

My friend says that there is going to be a revolution in the US such as a coup and it's now at the point where it's going to happen and that's inevitable. But is it really going to happen and it's inevitable? I find it hard to believe but maybe I am wrong?



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21 Feb 2021, 5:20 am

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My friend says that there is going to be a revolution in the US such as a coup and it's now at the point where it's going to happen and that's inevitable. But is it really going to happen and it's inevitable? I find it hard to believe but maybe I am wrong?

Your friend... was her name Elizabeth? And was she from Knoxxille, Tennessee?



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21 Feb 2021, 5:36 am

ironpony wrote:
My friend says that there is going to be a revolution in the US such as a coup and it's now at the point where it's going to happen and that's inevitable. But is it really going to happen and it's inevitable? I find it hard to believe but maybe I am wrong?


Anymore that kind of thing does not seem so hard to believe, but I'd call it an an insurrection or a coup not a revolution.
But yeah trump being defeated and put out of office does not seem to have sent them back crawling into the woodwork like the cockroaches they are so for sure something is likely coming.

Lol just remember Gandalf 'you do not choose the time you have, you can only choose what to do with the time you have' or at least something like that.


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21 Feb 2021, 6:42 am

Third parties don't seem to be making much traction.


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21 Feb 2021, 7:23 am

There does not need to be any armed insurrection. In the states that voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020, where Republicans control the state governments, measures are underway to ensure future elections there go the "right way". "Unqualified" voters are being purged from voter lists. Rules that are believed to make it easier for the "wrong people" to vote are being revised or eliminated. Next year and going forward, voters in these states will need to vote in person on the day of the election, which is a Tuesday when most of them have to work, and some will learn they are not legally registered and can only cast provisional ballots. Everyone will need to produce "Real ID" compliant credentials to be allowed to vote. That won't happen in my state because our state government is controlled by Democrats and is not in play, but of course residents of our state will be subject to the laws of the Federal Government that will be in power beginning in 2023 with the takeover of the Senate and House and in 2025 when Trump or a successor takes over the White House.


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21 Feb 2021, 7:39 am

Aside from age, why do you believe Biden won’t win a second term?

Why would anybody consider Trump a viable candidate after his shenanigans?



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21 Feb 2021, 7:47 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Aside from age, why do you believe Biden won’t win a second term?

Why would anybody consider Trump a viable candidate after his shenanigans?


I know it's not me your asking.

However, my question would be more to the point of, Will Biden still be president at the end of his term, or will Harris be?


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21 Feb 2021, 7:52 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Aside from age, why do you believe Biden won’t win a second term?

Why would anybody consider Trump a viable candidate after his shenanigans?

I believe that Biden won't be re-elected for the reasons I gave previously. I thought that was clear. It has nothing to do with how well he performs as President plus if Republicans take over both houses of Congress in the next election his ability to perform will be severely limited.

If anybody else thinks they understand what I said, perhaps you'd like to put your own spin on it.


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21 Feb 2021, 8:52 am

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There does not need to be any armed insurrection. In the states that voted for Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020, where Republicans control the state governments,

Hopefully there will be a massive education campaign by Democrats and progressives, targeted at Democrats who live in pink districts, about the importance of voting in state and local elections. Republican gerrymandering does have an Achilles' heel, which is that achieving it requires there to be at least some pink districts, which are vulnerable.

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measures are underway to ensure future elections there go the "right way". "Unqualified" voters are being purged from voter lists. Rules that are believed to make it easier for the "wrong people" to vote are being revised or eliminated. Next year and going forward, voters in these states will need to vote in person on the day of the election, which is a Tuesday when most of them have to work,

Unless, some time during the next year or so, Congress declares Election Day to be a national holiday, which is should be.

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and some will learn they are not legally registered and can only cast provisional ballots. Everyone will need to produce "Real ID" compliant credentials to be allowed to vote. That won't happen in my state because our state government is controlled by Democrats and is not in play, but of course residents of our state will be subject to the laws of the Federal Government that will be in power beginning in 2023 with the takeover of the Senate and House and in 2025 when Trump or a successor takes over the White House.

This will happen if the Democrats and progressives become complacent, which, alas, might happen.


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21 Feb 2021, 9:29 am

Why do you believe the Republicans will take over both houses of Congress in the 2022 elections?



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21 Feb 2021, 9:50 am

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Why do you believe the Republicans will take over both houses of Congress in the 2022 elections?

Again, for the reasons I gave above. BTW you know this happened in 2010 after Obama was elected. So there's a definite precedent.


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21 Feb 2021, 10:06 am

This is a dynamic situation.....with COVID and all....it can go either way.

I’m not predicting the future even a few months from now.



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21 Feb 2021, 10:54 am





Look at this way, If 'You' Can and Will...

The Extreme of the 'White' Extremes
Attempted an Insurrection at the

Capitol; They Were Already Extreme

And Have Been Around For Years

Just Waiting For Some (ANY) Reason
to let All Their Fear and Hate Hang out;

Now Consider The Days After That; How
Many So-Called 'Brave Conservatives' Protested

Out in the Streets at all;

There were still More

Protests By So-Called

Liberals in the West

And Practically Nothing From
Conservatives; Remember All those
Brave 'Pink p**** Hats' All Around the World

Protesting After Trump Was Elected;

Actions Speak Louder than Words;

The Majority of Conservatives may

Talk Big Yet You See For those
'Without Souls' They are no

Different than Ted Cruz
And Donald Trump

They Shrink

And Shirk

Away When it's

The Day to Go Bare-Knuckled

And Real Warrior When the Fox Hole comes Alive again...

i've Seen the "Old Angry White Men's Club"

At the Hardee's Breakfast

Club; HAha,

There is no

Need to Fear Yet
It's True There will

Always Be Lone Wolf
Devils and Angels too...

And Yes, The Real Evil In Democracies
Whether in Politics or Church the Same

Is when the Right, and Will To Vote For Who
One Chooses to Vote For is Legally or 'Morally'
Taken Away; Part of the reason i can't even Stomach

Visiting the Catholic Church Now As even A Participant
Anthropology Observer Further than the Ignorance that
Doesn't Require Masks in Some Masses in a Deadly Pandemic

Where Frigging

Grocery Stores

Have more

Respect for
The Sanctity
of Real Breathing Life;

Is the Day that the Priest
Suggested that God Is Directing
The Congregation How to Vote for

Donald J Trump; True the Priest Went
to the Trouble, as i still Study the Homily
Virtually on Facebook Feed to Finally Call

Out the Groups That Attacked The Capitol
By Name in Terms of Proud Boys; Yet He was

Sure He Tendered in Brown Nose

Ways for His Trump Town

Congregation to

List so-Called

Anti-Fa that is

Not Considered a

Domestic Terrorist Threat

By the Frigging FBI At the Top

Of His List to Make His Still Fox News

And One American Network Cable TV Spin on the Truth...

He Is Yet to Call Out Trump as the Cause of the Insurrection;

Yet 'Liberally' Said
After Trump Was
Elected that the

Last Administration
Alluding to the Civil Marriage
Abilities of Gays Provided by the
Obama Administration Made this

Country one the Church could no Longer Recognize;

Karma Baby; it Bites Hard; and the taste of that Church
is too much like CR8P for me to Go Back to Visit until

Something Replaces

That Smell With Something

More Like Love; Yet Still Apologizing

For 'God the Man' Being So Mean And Burning

Do Gooders By Matthew Direction of

Changing Sheep into Goats For not

Being Do-Gooders Providing

Food And Free Health

Care for Homeless

Immigrants

Fleeing

Places

of Raping,
Maiming, And Death...

What Happened to Forgiveness

As Usual that Doesn't Apply to the
Trumps and the Cruz's And the Bad
Cop Jesus Folks of the World In Other

Words Folks

Who are in IT

All to keep their
Power, Status, and

Position, And Titles in Life;

Missing

That

Part within
That is only

Here to Give and Share Love Free...

Again, Remember the 'Pink Hat Revolution'

And God Yes, Remember What Happens When Ya

Disturb the Cub's Rest of A Mama Grizzly Bear FOR REAL;

People Shallow of PRO-SOCIAL Emotions Aren't Inspired to do

Much More Than Complain; And Online Provides

An Excellent Place For Folks Who Talk the Talk

Yet are

Afraid

to Put

The Pink

Hats on And March...

i already Danced 14,466
Public Miles in Trump Town USA
Mixed With Ballet and Martial Arts....

in 90 Months;

Let's Just Put it this way; i ain't scared either...

For i understand True Strength and Will comes
From a Balance of Grace And Love As Foundations

For Mountains

Of Noble Love That ain't scared;

Meanwhile, the Cowards Will Try
to Change the Laws to Prevent Folks
For Exercising their Right to Vote;

And when the Days

Get tough

You Will Find

Those Cowards

On the Golf Course

Or in Cancun With No Love at all....

Just Weak, Weak, Cowards Love is the 'Gas Above'....

The Revolution

Already Happened;

Biden is President: Voila...

And Basically 'The Other Side'

is Swirling Down the Hole of A Toilet

Bowl Like Rats Hanging onto the Side of Ship

Sinking; Moral oF A STory Light Eventually Overcomes Dark

And True

There is
Still Day and Night;
Winter And Summer;

And Fall of Spring Love...

Other than that Have A Nice
Day; i Always Do NoW Cause i Can and
Will Just Do LOVE TRUTHFULLY IN LIGHT

Fear And Hate;

Darkness

And Lies;

Only Slows Fun Down...

Rhetorical Question;
Why in the Hell Don't

People Wanna Have Loving Fun...
TaKinG Care of Each Other Lifting

EACH OTHER Up

(OUT OF
ANOTHER

PLACE

AND SIDE OF LIFE'S BREATH)

YES, PINK p**** HATS AND MAMA

GRIZZLIES STILL RULE

AND sure

sHE

Wolves

in 'DiSGuiSE...

Again Have a

Nice Day Yet surely

Not Going to make

Anyone Do it other

That the Frowns i MAKE

Smiles When i Public Dance in Trump Town
Still USA Where they wanna name A Bridge to
Real Paradise

Beach "Trump"

Oh God That
Just Stink
Stanks
Stunks

So Much

In Whoville Gone Rotten... STill...

WHeRE the Hell is the (A) Reformed Grinch;
Rhetorical Question Again: Heaven Now Within...

i Realize it's Probably "Politically Incorrect" to
'Play the Grinch' on my 31st Wedding Anniversary

on 2.21.21

Yet it takes

one

to know
And Feel

And Sense one FOR REAL
smART ENougH to TRANSform into something entirely else...

When 39 And A Half Foot Poles Become 40 Of Course; Hehe and 60 too.. HAha

STiNK

Stank

Stunk

RoSE RiSinG More...



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21 Feb 2021, 3:22 pm

I sincerely hope not.


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21 Feb 2021, 7:51 pm

There are several going on now but just not in the traditional ways.

Obviously, we are to seeing the idea of accepting election results and settling issues via elections and legislation rapidly eroding.

Our view of who we are as a country is rapidly changing from one based on or at least the goal of freedom and rights to America's central characteristic from the get-go has been toxic white male supremacy.

The philosophy behind old saying " "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is quaint at this point.

There is the gender identity social revolution which is worldwide.


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21 Feb 2021, 8:22 pm

I think we're gearing up right now for a cultural revolution.

Civil war or coups? Probably not.

The government is supposed to watch the business landscape to keep the fire in the fire pit. That works until business buys governance. You then have as a check the people watching government but that gets broken down both through rampant misinformation and various methods of overwhelming people with content (like reading a 2000 page bill in a few days), and even there you have an asymmetry of control.

The idea with the media seems to be that they're giving us what we want, and what we want sucks - largely because we (humans) don't have the highest priorities. Seeing this getting to where we're mangling ourselves with the chaos it seems to have hit enough tipping points in the last few years that it's not the majority of people anymore saying that nothing's unusual or out of whack. You're starting to get organized pushback against things like click-bait journalism.

It will be interesting to watch this year and next year to see how this shift goes but, optimistically, I could see this going in a direction where more people have a deeper sense of what they need to watch their own backs on, teach their kids about, and we might be able to move forward in a direction where media isn't a hot mess.


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