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War with Canada and Denmark
Yes 16%  16%  [ 3 ]
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07 Jan 2025, 1:35 pm

Does anyone think Orange Hitler is going to go to war with Denmark and Canada once he's sworn in?


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07 Jan 2025, 2:02 pm

Both Canada and Denmark are members of NATO which means that if one country is attacked the other countries will consider it an attack on them also; there are presently 32 countries in NATO. I don't care for Trump but he is not stupid. (that might be debatable)



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07 Jan 2025, 2:10 pm

^Besides Denmark is a member of EU. This kind of nonsense about the US trying to pressure Danmark in order to take control of Greenland is not something EU look kindly on. Unless Trump wants an all out trade war with EU he better back off and shut up.


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07 Jan 2025, 2:46 pm

Does Trump want Canada partially because of the oil and gas in Canada?



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07 Jan 2025, 3:28 pm

So I'll say...

1) any predictions based on Trump not being stupid, or being a rational actor, are inherently shaky.

2) he does quite often talk a lot of s**t without backing it up.

3) it would be very difficult for the European parts of NATO to come to Canada's defence. The Atlantic is a major obstacle. Most NATO countries have militaries for defending their borders, and the ones with serious manpower can't really move their troops away from the Russian border. I don't think, hypothetically speaking, a conventional response by the UK and France and 25% of the rest of NATO would be sufficient to defend Canada.

4) Occupying Canada would be a terrible idea on par with other military occupations. But see point 1).

5) This is now becoming an ongoing interest of his, so if I was Canadian, Panamanian, or Greenlandic, I'd be worried.



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07 Jan 2025, 3:47 pm

Leaving Trump aside for a minute what are the opinions of the majority of Canadians joining the US? does it have much support, does it have much national identity? they speak the same language

Quebec would likely be an issue as its French speaking and had its own independence movement.

Greenland is a bit different as its a territory in itself rather than an independent state, also sparsely populated, not sure the opinion of the majority there?

To be honest its weird we are having this debate in 2025


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07 Jan 2025, 5:51 pm

I think Canada ought to cede a land bridge to Alaska to simplify transportation between that state and the rest of the U.S. Also, Nova Scotia would be nice for summer vacations and suchlike. I would also like the gold mines, at least the ones that still have gold in them. In return, no tariffs. I think that is a fair bargain. As a bonus, there will be a solemn pledge that no more jokes will be about Canadians on television or social media or anywhere else.

As for Denmark, I think Greenland is worth a cool $1oo,ooo, payable in cash with no taxes taken out and delivered promptly upon demand. It would make a decent 51st state, although there is an argument for folding it into a combined Nova Scotia/Greenland state. As a bonus, Denmark can be defended from Russia, and for extra bonus, no tariffs.

However, Greenland is a bit of a misnomer, because there is not much there that is green. It should be renamed Snowland, so as not to confuse it with Iceland.


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07 Jan 2025, 6:05 pm

Gentleman Argentum wrote:
I think Canada ought to cede a land bridge to Alaska to simplify transportation between that state and the rest of the U.S. Also, Nova Scotia would be nice for summer vacations and suchlike. I would also like the gold mines, at least the ones that still have gold in them. In return, no tariffs. I think that is a fair bargain. As a bonus, there will be a solemn pledge that no more jokes will be about Canadians on television or social media or anywhere else.

As for Denmark, I think Greenland is worth a cool $1oo,ooo, payable in cash with no taxes taken out and delivered promptly upon demand. It would make a decent 51st state, although there is an argument for folding it into a combined Nova Scotia/Greenland state. As a bonus, Denmark can be defended from Russia, and for extra bonus, no tariffs.

However, Greenland is a bit of a misnomer, because there is not much there that is green. It should be renamed Snowland, so as not to confuse it with Iceland.


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07 Jan 2025, 6:43 pm

Gentleman Argentum wrote:
I think Canada ought to cede a land bridge to Alaska to simplify transportation between that state and the rest of the U.S. Also, Nova Scotia would be nice for summer vacations and suchlike. I would also like the gold mines, at least the ones that still have gold in them. In return, no tariffs. I think that is a fair bargain. As a bonus, there will be a solemn pledge that no more jokes will be about Canadians on television or social media or anywhere else.

As for Denmark, I think Greenland is worth a cool $1oo,ooo, payable in cash with no taxes taken out and delivered promptly upon demand. It would make a decent 51st state, although there is an argument for folding it into a combined Nova Scotia/Greenland state. As a bonus, Denmark can be defended from Russia, and for extra bonus, no tariffs.

However, Greenland is a bit of a misnomer, because there is not much there that is green. It should be renamed Snowland, so as not to confuse it with Iceland.


Also, most Greenlanders aren't ethnic Danes, but Inuit.

But given the US's history regarding indigenous people, such an invasion/annexation would not be good.


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07 Jan 2025, 6:46 pm

Greenland is autonomous. It doesn't matter what America wants, it doesn't matter what Denmark wants.

It only matters what Greenland's residents want, and that (almost certainly) isn't to join the US.

Denmark can't sell Greenland, therefore the US can't buy Greenland.


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07 Jan 2025, 6:48 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Greenland is autonomous. It doesn't matter what America wants, it doesn't matter what Denmark wants.

It only matters what Greenland's residents want, and that (almost certainly) isn't to join the US.

Denmark can't sell Greenland, therefore the US can't buy Greenland.


What percentage of Greenlanders are wanting independence?


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07 Jan 2025, 6:55 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Greenland is autonomous. It doesn't matter what America wants, it doesn't matter what Denmark wants.

It only matters what Greenland's residents want, and that (almost certainly) isn't to join the US.

Denmark can't sell Greenland, therefore the US can't buy Greenland.


What percentage of Greenlanders are wanting independence?


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While a majority of Greenland‘s 57,000 inhabitants support independence, there is division over the timing and potential impact on living standards.


A majority, it would seem1. Even without full independence Greenland is still autonomous2 though.

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07 Jan 2025, 8:43 pm

If we were to add Canada to the US, how many more Democratic states and votes would that mean?

Trump is already doing a good job of destroying Conservatism in the US. Wouldn't taking Canada into the union would pretty much ensure that the Democrats control the federal government?


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07 Jan 2025, 8:51 pm

sure, right after he "locks her up" and "builds that wall"



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07 Jan 2025, 9:42 pm

kokopelli wrote:
If we were to add Canada to the US, how many more Democratic states and votes would that mean?

Trump is already doing a good job of destroying Conservatism in the US. Wouldn't taking Canada into the union would pretty much ensure that the Democrats control the federal government?

Canada would just add 1 to 2 more senators for the democrats if it was the 51st state.



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07 Jan 2025, 10:04 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
If we were to add Canada to the US, how many more Democratic states and votes would that mean?

Trump is already doing a good job of destroying Conservatism in the US. Wouldn't taking Canada into the union would pretty much ensure that the Democrats control the federal government?

Canada would just add 1 to 2 more senators for the democrats if it was the 51st state.


It doesn't make sense that the whole country would become a single state.

I suspect that they would demand that each province be its own state. Think ten more states with up to 20 Senators. I don't know much about the political breakdown in Canada but it wouldn't be impossible that 15 or more of them would be Democrats and may up to 5 Republicans. If the Republicans there aren't as radical as MAGA, then it could even be 18 or 19 Democrats and 1 or 2 Republicans.

Not only that, the House is, I think, currently fixed to a membership of 435 members. Some states would have to give up some representatives so that the Canadian states could get their share.

Remember, too, that this would affect the Electoral College.

If Canada had been US in 2024, it is not far fetched to think that Trump might still have won the Presidency, but both the House and the Senate would be under Democratic Party control.


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