is being ethnocentric the same ass being racist?

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Would you say being ethnocentric is the same as being racist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28cl ... 29#History

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism

No, not the same.

that is what I thought. some idiot in my math class was telling me that hating polish people (something I was not doing) was the same as being racist

Ethnocentrism and racism can be fuzzy concepts that overlap. Hating people of a particular nationality would be classified as racism by many. Ethno means 'people,' and it can apply to racial groupings, cultural groupings, national groupings, etc.

If you were not hating on the Poles, don't worry about it.

<insert common sense>

Sorry, that's the best way I could contribute.

No, it isn't, nor is that necessarily ethnocentrism. That is just Pole hating.


Well, they definitely overlap, and some definitions place them as the same. I take one to mean culture and the other to mean race I suppose. Really though, specific nationalities definitely are not races, but in many nations there is an overlap.

If you were hating on the Poles, still don't worry about it. Polish people are just fun to make fun of!!

Well, I think that Hitler considered the Poles to be a separate racial group from the Germans, and Hitler was the most racist person ever.

Racism is not logical. The fact that racists focus on something that is insignificant should tell us something. The Irish were considered a separate race and discriminated against in the US and UK for most of recent history. Does the fact that they are not a completely different skin color mean they are not a different race??

Race has no scientific validity.

Ethnocentrism is normal - it is loyalty to one's own kind.

In countries such as England, France and Germany the ethnocentrism of Africans, Jews, Indians, Arabs etc is positively encouraged and rewarded with public money.

Meanwhile, in countries such as England, France and Germany the ethnocentrism of, respectively, the English, French and Germans is constantly demonised.

How's that for racism?

I looked at this thread a few minutes ago and nearly posted something similar. Anyway, thought I'd just add another voice of reason before this thread gets swamped with the usual PC tripe.

It depends, it's pretty fuzzy because of the impact of nationalist thinking results in physical appearance and culture being joined together in people's conceptions of ethnic groups.

Both ethnocentrism and cultural relativist crap need to go.

The dictionary defintion say it is a culture thinking it is more superior tahn another

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethnocentrism

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

and here is the dicitonary definition of race

race2 Audio Help /reɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[reys] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology. a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8. a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.
10. the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.
–adjective 11. of or pertaining to the races of humankind.


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[Origin: 1490–1500; < F < It razza, of obscure orig.]


—Synonyms 1. tribe, clan, family, stock, line, breed. Race, people, nation are terms for a large body of persons who may be thought of as a unit because of common characteristics. In the traditional biological and anthropological systems of classification race refers to a group of persons who share such genetically transmitted traits as skin color, hair texture, and eye shape or color: the white race; the yellow race. In reference to classifying the human species, race is now under dispute among modern biologists and anthropologists. Some feel that the term has no biological validity; others use it to specify only a partially isolated reproductive population whose members share a considerable degree of genetic similarity. In certain broader or less technical senses race is sometimes used interchangeably with people. People refers to a body of persons united usually by common interests, ideals, or culture but sometimes also by a common history, language, or ethnic character: We are one people; the peoples of the world; the Swedish people. Nation refers to a body of persons living under an organized government or rule, occupying a defined area, and acting as a unit in matters of peace and war: the English nation.

Both political correctness and minority pandering need to go.