Is there any proof God exists?

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Of course, there has to be collaboration--and precedent, too--just like the law.

And more to the point if anyone is of the belief that a scientific theory I'd simply a published paper, then they really have no place in a discussion on science as they clearly have no idea regarding the level of rigor an hypothesis mist go through before it is regarded as a theory.

Rho does your level of hypocrisy know no bounds. First you claim to basically accept the findings of science, which is demonstrably false. Then you applaud honesty over debate.

These images made me laugh hard too bad the author of the vid disabled all comments LOL!

Narrator I have been thinking about you post on the level of scientific knowledge displayed on this forum. I agree with you that most of us who think of ourselves as thinking critically about science have at best what I would describe as an intermediate level of scientific literacy, others on here like Rho have a similar level of scientific literacy but are like a very dilute version of Kurt Wise, actually no, I take that back, at least Kurt Wise has had the honesty to state publicly that he understands and accepts the validity of the science but cannot accept it because of his faith.

This forum several years ago had some great minds, some are still here like Ruveyn, his posts are just the barest stump of what they used to be, from memory he has a substantial knowledge in Maths. We had some theists on here who took Rho apart (even then he did not listen) among the brightest of them was Orwell, who I know has finished his post grad and is now majoring in some form of biology. Unfortunately all these posters have left and I agree the level of discourse has plummeted.

That being said I still find this site worthwhile, heck thanks to the declarations from David I stopped just accepting that entropy was not a problem and actually investigated it by mean of a series of Uni lectures, the same goes for Evolution caused manly by a dispute between Orwell and Iamnotaparrakeet (yet another YEC but a very good debater, one who really could challenge and force you to learn)

So yes I agree compared to the level of knowledge on display at sites like Rhandi and rationalskeptism this forum might seem a tad parochial, but at least some of us manage to learn and advance.

Hey thats a thought David as we are all SOOOO useless in combating your amazing intellect, maybe you should try some more worthwhile opponants over at http://www.rationalskepticism.org they have a whole forum devoted entirley to young earth creationism. Although I dont usually like bloodsports i will just sit back and enjoy

The first problem with attempting to prove or disprove the existence of God is that there are too many conceptions of God, many of them contradicting others. So the best you can do is select one particular God at a time to try to prove or disprove.

The Christian God does not exist because he is self-contradictory. He is a logical impossibility. Love contradicts the existence of hell. Knowledge of the future contradicts the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. The Marcionites wrote an entire book detailing contradictions between the character of the God of the OT and the God of the NT, who modern Christians insist are the same person.

The God of the Deists cannot be proven or disproven because that god merely created the world, by unspecified means, and then has ignored it ever since.

The Greek and Roman gods were neither all-powerful nor all-knowing and while capable of love, did not love everyone and were quite fond of very human pleasures and intrigues.

I have friends for whom God is not a personal entity with volition, nor a creator, but rather God is "everything." For them, God is the trees and the rocks and the plants and all living things including ourselves. For them God is merely another word for nature.

So first tell me which God you want me to disprove (since I don't believe in any of them except the last, and that's just a pointless redefinition of the word) and I'll address the question.

But this much is certain, without the least shadow of a doubt: If there is a creator, there is no way to know anything about that creator. What it wants from us, what it thinks or feels or what reason it had for creating. You can believe whatever you like, but if you believe you know the creator, you are deeply deluded.

The Creator, to me, was the non-sentient initiator of all the dynamics of the universe.