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11 Aug 2007, 11:34 am

Sopho wrote:
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I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.

I smell hypocrisy in what you said there. Ragtime could argue that you made a choice to be gay...

He could. But I know that I didn't. So I can honestly say that. You don't have to believe me, but it doesn't mean I'm being a hypocrite. I know I didn't choose not to be straight, but I also know that no ones biologically a Christian.


Spiritually supercedes biology in identity. When Jesus said Christians are "not of this world", that shows how fundmentally different they are.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:34 am

Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.

I smell hypocrisy in what you said there. Ragtime could argue that you made a choice to be gay...

He could. But I know that I didn't. So I can honestly say that. You don't have to believe me, but it doesn't mean I'm being a hypocrite. I know I didn't choose not to be straight, but I also know that no ones biologically a Christian.

People could have a biological, certainly psychological disposition to getting involved in a religion, could they not? Quite a lot of people within religion actually have a total need for it. It could be an explaination for why quite a lot of us Athiests get so miserable...



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11 Aug 2007, 11:36 am

Ragtime wrote:
Spiritually supercedes biology in identity.

Only to a religious person.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:38 am

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People could have a biological, certainly psychological disposition to getting involved in a religion, could they not? Quite a lot of people within religion actually have a total need for it. It could be an explaination for why quite a lot of us Athiests get so miserable...

I agree with that. But that disposition in itself isn't what makes someone religious. Crazy people can have a disposition to be alsorts of things. That doesn't mean we then can't judge them when they go off and murder someone (and no, I'm not saying being religious is equal to murder. But there have been alsorts of comparisons with homosexuality before so I don't care).



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11 Aug 2007, 11:38 am

Sopho wrote:
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Sopho wrote:
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It's relevant because there aren't a shedload of gay people specifically targeting Christians and making out they're inferior 0r bad people. Canceling a funeral just because you find out the dead person was gay is.


Well, everyone knows that Christianity employs passive resistance against homosexual behavior. (It's WHY you guys are winning -- cuz we're just sitting there letting you).

Winning what?


Eventually, everything gays want. Even church leadership!! :roll: Ya, we're really fighting you hard....

I don't want anything to do with your ret*d church.

Dodging the point.
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We just want rights ffs.

They're on their way, and it's specifically ffs.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that?

Yeah, why are you?
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We're not trying to inflict anything on you. I don't want the right to get married in a church. I don't want to ban straight marriage, or religion, or stop you praying. I just want the same rights that you have.

The Man-Boy Love Society isn't trying to inflict anything on me either.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:41 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.


So I "chose" that I believe in a God I've personally known since I was three? If you meet a new friend, do you CHOOSE to believe they exist? No, course not, because YOU CAN'T DENY THEY EXIST. Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view". :lol:

You choose to practice your religion. It's based on your beliefs and opinions. Therefore it's who you are, not what you are.

You're spiritually ignorant of what Christianity is. It is most definitely what we are.
Don't argue from ignorance.
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I can bash you for having sh** beliefs, you can bash me for having (what you may believe to be) sh** beliefs. N ot for what I am though.

More symantics -- getting old fast.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:41 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
It's relevant because there aren't a shedload of gay people specifically targeting Christians and making out they're inferior 0r bad people. Canceling a funeral just because you find out the dead person was gay is.


Well, everyone knows that Christianity employs passive resistance against homosexual behavior. (It's WHY you guys are winning -- cuz we're just sitting there letting you).

Winning what?


Eventually, everything gays want. Even church leadership!! :roll: Ya, we're really fighting you hard....

I don't want anything to do with your ret*d church.

Dodging the point.
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We just want rights ffs.

They're on there way, and it's specifically ffs.
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Why are you too stupid to understand that?

Yeah, why are you?
Sopho wrote:
We're not trying to inflict anything on you. I don't want the right to get married in a church. I don't want to ban straight marriage, or religion, or stop you praying. I just want the same rights that you have.

The Man-Boy Love Society isn't trying to inflict anything on me either.

1. I wasn't dodging the point - I went on to answer it in the rest of the post. :roll:
2. Specifically ffs? Is that another s**t joke? No it isn't/ Someone could be attracted to people of the same sex but be asexual and therefore not sleep with them, or for whatever other reason. Stop trying to make out that gay marriage is about nothing but sex. It's about much more than that.
3. I'm not. I understand what you're saying, and I think it's s**t. The only thing I don't understand (as I've said before) is how people actually believe in your religion anymore).
4. Quit with the homosexuality/paedophilia thing. Paediophilia is inflicting s**t on CHILDREN. And all they have to do is wait a few years and they can get married. I won't suddenly turn straight in a few years.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:42 am

Sopho wrote:
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Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view".

And it's not a 'fact' that your god exists. :lol:


Actually it is, but how would you know?


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11 Aug 2007, 11:43 am

Sopho wrote:
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People could have a biological, certainly psychological disposition to getting involved in a religion, could they not? Quite a lot of people within religion actually have a total need for it. It could be an explaination for why quite a lot of us Athiests get so miserable...

I agree with that. But that disposition in itself isn't what makes someone religious. Crazy people can have a disposition to be alsorts of things. That doesn't mean we then can't judge them when they go off and murder someone (and no, I'm not saying being religious is equal to murder. But there have been alsorts of comparisons with homosexuality before so I don't care).

Put it like this the Gullable will almost always be mislead. And yes people can be judged for their actions. What you are saying that is unfair is that gay people should not be criticised for choosing to be gay, while religious people should be criticised for following a religion. I dont think you can have it like that.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:43 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.


So I "chose" that I believe in a God I've personally known since I was three? If you meet a new friend, do you CHOOSE to believe they exist? No, course not, because YOU CAN'T DENY THEY EXIST. Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view". :lol:

You choose to practice your religion. It's based on your beliefs and opinions. Therefore it's who you are, not what you are.

You're spiritually ignorant of what Christianity is. It is most definitely what we are.
Don't argue from ignorance.
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I can bash you for having sh** beliefs, you can bash me for having (what you may believe to be) sh** beliefs. N ot for what I am though.

More symantics -- getting old fast.

1. It's not what you are in the same way that being gay is. You are not biologically a Christian. You religion says something bout you as a person - your beliefs, values. Being gay doesn't.
2. What's getting old is your continual references to paediophilia when anyone with a higher level of intelligence would realise that homasexuality and paedophilia are entirely different.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:43 am

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Spiritually supercedes biology in identity.

Only to a religious person.


Well, it's the same argument against. Only to a pro-gay person does gayness seem unchangable.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:44 am

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Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view".

And it's not a 'fact' that your god exists. :lol:


Actually it is, but how would you know?

How would you know either.
No one knows it to exist or not exist.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:45 am

Hadron wrote:
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People could have a biological, certainly psychological disposition to getting involved in a religion, could they not? Quite a lot of people within religion actually have a total need for it. It could be an explaination for why quite a lot of us Athiests get so miserable...

I agree with that. But that disposition in itself isn't what makes someone religious. Crazy people can have a disposition to be alsorts of things. That doesn't mean we then can't judge them when they go off and murder someone (and no, I'm not saying being religious is equal to murder. But there have been alsorts of comparisons with homosexuality before so I don't care).

Put it like this the Gullable will almost always be mislead. And yes people can be judged for their actions. What you are saying that is unfair is that gay people should not be criticised for choosing to be gay, while religious people should be criticised for following a religion. I dont think you can have it like that.

No I'm not.
Again, I know that I didn't choose not to be straight. So, to me, that's not what it is. If people were biologically Christian then fine. I wouldn't say this. But they're not. I don't believe people choose to be gay. I know I didn't.



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Sopho wrote:
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People could have a biological, certainly psychological disposition to getting involved in a religion, could they not? Quite a lot of people within religion actually have a total need for it. It could be an explaination for why quite a lot of us Athiests get so miserable...

I agree with that. But that disposition in itself isn't what makes someone religious.

Why not?
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Crazy people can have a disposition to be alsorts of things. That doesn't mean we then can't judge them when they go off and murder someone.


Actually, the courts don't judge crazy murderers the same way they judge sane murderers, or didn't you know that? They judge them much less severely.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:46 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Spiritually supercedes biology in identity.

Only to a religious person.


Well, it's the same argument against. Only to a pro-gay person does gayness seem unchangable.

But I know I didn't choose it. You don't know your god exists. At least some people know being gay isn't a choice. Whereas no one knows this god exists.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:48 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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People could have a biological, certainly psychological disposition to getting involved in a religion, could they not? Quite a lot of people within religion actually have a total need for it. It could be an explaination for why quite a lot of us Athiests get so miserable...

I agree with that. But that disposition in itself isn't what makes someone religious.

Why not?
Sopho wrote:

Crazy people can have a disposition to be alsorts of things. That doesn't mean we then can't judge them when they go off and murder someone.


Actually, the courts don't judge crazy murderers the same way they judge sane murderers, or didn't you know that? They judge them much less severely.

1. Because you can have a disposition to be religious, but not actually then follow a religion. It's not having this disposition that makes you religious.
2. I'm not talknig about the courts. I'm talking about me. I believe it's perfectly OK for me to judge a person who abducts, rapes and murders a child, whether or not they have a mental illness.