Is there any proof God exists?

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How could you "contradict" something which you don't believe exists?

If there's a God, I believe He/She would have the cognitive to awareness to know that the nonbeliever is not directly contradicting Him/Her.

If the nonbeliever becomes a believer shortly before it's "time to go," I'm sure God will welcome this person into His/Her kingdom with open arms.

The Creator is CREATION as IS
GOD
IS.

GOD IS
VERB;
Hell NO,
NO noun.

Any questions...

And hell yes, I know THE Creator INtimately.

Sorry, if one does not; and yell NO perusing skELtons
of words, math, and other abstract concepts of human
mind will never ever get one tHere,

alone.

Other creatures are not functionally disabled by illusions
of abstract constructs from a mind that lives in neocortical
illusions of past and future and rarely
NOW
as
GOD
IS
NOW
GOD
IS
IS
NOW
GOD IS
IS.

Anymore questions....

OH GOD.. HUMANS ARE SO DAM 'SMART'..
SO CLOGGED UP
LIKE A DAM
ILLUSION.

ABSTRACT WRITTEN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE
IS
A
VIRUS, MOREOVER, THAN
creature comfort.

Questions...

ANY

one..

This is great!

You seem to 'SEE' AND get the hidden metaphors revised all out of whack in the bible(S).

Yes, this 'Gehenna' place is a real human place that can exist in now, and when someone goes to this place of real human nothingness separated from creation as is, as A sentient human being, hell is truly an eternity of NOW, in real life; no fairy tale, a real human experience that is possible for this HUMAN metaphor thingy called hell.

SOME folks refer to it as an extreme form of Anhedonia, and that is Ok too, as Heaven IS KINDA LIKE HEDONISM FULL BLOWN!

THE ESSENCE OF TRUTH and LIGHT IS WHAT COUNTS.

VARIOUS CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS METAPHORS THAT REFER TO THE SAME ESSENCE IN TRUTH AND LIGHT OF HUMAN LIFE, ARE nothing to get TOO tribal instinct ATTACHED TO, for simple understanding OF THE HUMAN CONDITION, as pART OF IS.

And YES, heaven now is the polar opposite of this hell place, where every second is an eternity of bliss where there is no perception of time and only the metaphor of heaven now.

And that baby, is wHere I live all the NOW, NOW, as I kept searching until the part of the creator that IS CREATION as IS, IN me became awakened, enlightened IN the TRUTH AND THE LIGHT THAT IS Innately, Instinctually, and Intuitively available FOR human beings who escape the illusions of the virus of human complex abstract written languages and culture; seeking, finding, and UTILIZING AND PRACTICING THE GIFT OF THE HIGHER POWER OF CREATION THAT EXISTS IN HUMAN BEINGS TO 'BE ALL THEY CAN BE', in MIND AND BODY BALANCE,

TO paraphrase

"BE ALL YOU CAN BE",

FROM the U.S. ARMY..

Oh and by the way, IT IS NOT a pointless exercise to RENAME GOD AS NATURE.

THAT IS precisely what the reported gnostic gospel of THOMAS ATTEMPTS TO DO IN THE METAPHORS reporting the so-called words of so-called JESUS, AS LINKED HERE.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

THE REAL SO-CALLED JESUS IN THAT so-called sacred text, is more of a Yogi and a Pantheist Naturist than any myth or frigging fairly tale.

Seriously, if the world OF FRIGGING FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIONS that DO BELIEVE this Jesus Dude existed, could just get straightened out on this simple 'little MISTAKE', THERE COULD BE A LOT LESS SUFFERING AND HUMAN MISERY, AND EVEN KILLING FIELDS OF BLOOD.

TO KEEP on talking about who is wrong and who is right, IS OF NO USE IN THE REAL WORLD, where people are miserable, suffering, and even dying, because of ignorance, even in understanding original SO-CALLED GNOSTIC CHRISTIAN TEXT.

THERE IS TRUTH AND LIGHT IN THOSE Gnostic Words, and that is what the world needs 'RIGHT' NOW; not myths, fairly tales, or people who want to prove that their way alone is correct.

TRULY Open miNds AND HEArTS find the agreements OVER the disagreements, and makes life better for ALL WHO ARE CONCERNED.

BUT WITH a lack of cognitive and or affective empathy the world can never DO THAT.

AND THAT PART, I DON'T have the answer for but DANCE, in finding and practicing MIND AND BODY BALANCE TO OPEN A HEART WILD AND FREE AGAIN, AND SADLY ENOUGH, there are too many 'HOMOPHOBES' WHO ARE AFRAID THEY ARE 'QUEER' IN THE WORLD, TO make that pART happen, it seems, at least where I live, IN PArT, in 'HOMOPHOBE CITY'..

The only people on this forum who disrupt the once good discourse of PPR, if there ever was any to begin with (i don't believe there was) are people who can't coexist. On that note, people who believe science and religion can't coexist don't help the already biased people get along.

I think there's also a certain fundamental assumption of the shallowness of the issue. It's as if some people believe that science has gone all wrong and suggests all kinds of things that aren't so while others seem to feel that we're at the apex of discovery and that we've discovered 95% of what there is to know about nature, the universe, etc.. - either way it seems like a skewing of perspective based short-sightedness.

Any possibility that we'd felt at previous times in history that we were close to the end of discovery? I'm sure, it's the grand illusion of the now moment - same for the feeling of impending apocalypse and feeling like one is perpetually at the end of history; cognitively there's some truth to the later but that's been the sensation of being conscious and alive since the dawn of consciousness and linear time conception.

Firstly looking at your joining date tells me you do not have the information to be able to conclude "I don't believe their was" Secondly it was not gentle discourse (although I do not remember anyone being quite as hostile and abrasive as David, he really is a special case in more ways than one), but the amount of people who were scientifically literate was far greater, which meant the likes of David and Rho would have their arguments questioned and falsified by many people. Some saw this as a kind of pack attack, rather it was simply a case that PPR have a far greater percentage of very scientifically literate people so any one coming in and postulating pseudoscience was quickly exposed.

Remembering this and also the piece by Kurt wise reminds me that no argument will change their minds, however I feel it is important not to let these people have free reign to influence otters with their nonsense. To that end I will continue to try and expose pseudoscience.

From my perspective this is not true, I most certainly do not think we are anywhere near knowing 95% of what there is to know, in fact discoveries in particle physics/quantum mechanics, the science of the very cold suggest tht rather than being on a breakthrough to a theory of everything we might be on the verge of breaking through into another area where we have as little knowledge as we did before we the likes of Maxwell and Faraday. In other words I think there is a whole new area of physics that will emerge for which we have no knowledge. But hey who knows we may solve the mystery of joining General relativity to the standard model then who knows what advances we will make.

And this is essentially my point, if you look at this debate, aside from a couple of staunch atheist's it is only the religious who state they know what caused everything, it is only the religious who have the arrogance to say "we have the total answer"

I truly believe that we can't know everything until we've been everywhere.

It's also a difficult debate because of the disagreements on what constitutes evidence. Shared facts can be debated, beliefs or unshared facts seem to just hit a wall.

One of the lines that seems to get violated in this a lot is the objective/subjective one. The healthy context of the subjective is something that I'd tend to think we'll really want to address more as a race of beings, mainly that while you don't want people to chase each other around with swords and guns to force other people to believe what they believe (the subjective crapping on the objective) it's been equally problematic when people try to smash the subjective into slavery to the objective or even suggest that the subjective is an operating hallucination - it takes receding back from that not to fall to nihilism.

We may find as time goes on that the subjective and objective intertwine in more fascinating ways than we might have previously realized and I think we'll find increasingly interesting ways to have the subjective and objective cross-pollinate so long as it's kept high brow such as in pursuits of art, music, and beauty in general rather than the left arm warring on the right or vice a verse. There seem to be some intrepid pioneers on the side of exploring the subjective and that's one of the places where a lot of my reading these days angles - precisely because so many people are already doing such deep and thorough exploration of the objective that I see the world of science filled with people already far more natural and versed in advanced math and experimental procedure. I figure if I really find a way to give back to the world around me it will be along my explorations of whats presently the road less traveled and what's also, by my best guess, the next shoe to drop.

I have another possible explanation for the burning bush: perhaps it was a haystack, or a haystack nearby that suffered spontaneous combustion. Today we can explain spontaneous combustion of haystacks because we know the bacteria and other biological processes heat up the haystack and it can combust with the right humidity, but it must look like a miracle to people in the past.

Ho hum.

More of the same irrational vilification of some Straw Man that is supposed to "prove" that a fantastic nonscience, divorced from realistic observation (science) is "true" simply because it conforms to some prejudicial ideology.

My contention all along has been that the Materialist ideology will not stand up to any scrutiny by real science using a realistic scientific method. I have only claimed that fashionable Materialism is scientifically impossible, and have given ample reason and evidence in support of that contention.

That has apparently been enough to excite Materialist ideologues into a frenzy of fantastic accusations and assertions entirely irrelevant to the matter. Just what one would expect from chronic narcissists who can delude themselves (and anyone else vulnerable) into thinking that "science" is anything that pampers their way-out-of-control ego. As I've said before, I got to hate narcissists waaay back when I was a diminutive odd-bod in the primary school playground.

I do not suffer fools and charlatans gladly but I am reluctant to leave retiring, good, honest folk to be their fodder. Goliath needn't expect any deference from me.

One of my favorite metaphorical illustrations of this issue of what humans have forgotten per subjective potential is the 'Emerald Forest', a movie from 1985. Yeah, the year after 1984, where truly many folks are living now, in a mechanical cognition leaning way of life that is collective, materialistic, and very shallow with little to no connection in flesh and blood emotional and sensory ways with other humans beings, or nature, in general.

Seriously, it's still there waiting for the taking, for those who seek, find, employ, utilize, and practice a higher INTERNAL EMOTIVE POWER OF HUMAN BEING.

Science has no real clue and the other shoe I believe to drop will have to be the internal life of human being, as science has no tool to consistently measure the internal being of human being, and OH MY GOD some folks do not even realize that stuff like faith, hope, belief, human relative free will, heart, soul, and spirit ARE ALL EMOTING POWERS OF INTERNAL EMOTION THAT ARE REAL AND CAN DO AMAZING STUFF FOR FOLKS in real life, if again, sought, found, employed, utilized and practiced as a higher Internal emotive power of human being with the kind of creative physical intelligence by way of human relative free WILL that drives emotional regulation, sensory integration, and cognitive executive functioning in focus and short term WORKING memory.

And that's just the stuff that can be named that at least some folks can relate to, in abstract constructs to their personal subjective INTERNAL emotive lives. There is so much more, as our western materialistic cultures do not have nearly the words that suffice and comprise in describing and defining the fuller potential of emoting human SUBJECTIVE INTERNAL emotional and sensory life that manifests great and amazing things in flesh and blood human reality and the nature that interacts with that flesh and blood like a 'Quantum' EFFECT AND AFFECT, IN human mind and body balance.

'We' live in a very shallow and illusory complex world of materialistic facts, figures, aims, and goals, OVERALL.

That's truly sad, as life can be so much more, if simply more fully lived with so much more potential human intelligence, in mind and body balance.

Yes; All innate, instinctual, intuitive, AND all real but without a REAL tool of science to consistently measure this subjective HUMAN Universe in relative potential of human emotions and sensory life COME ALIVE BY WAY OF HUMAN RELATIVE FREE WILL AND much greater potential intelligence, including creative physical intelligence that can be a game changer FOR human LIFE IN LIFE, escaping, potential death in life.

Watching that video causes me to think more deeply about crucifixion and the people left behind after a loved one was crucified, their traumas and experiences dealing with it. Maybe they were the first Christians?

Saint Sebastian is rumored by some to be secretely gay and that is why he was martyred.

Reminds me of the Heaven's gate cult. One believes so strongly they are willing to die.